Pocket AA.... Can you or should you let them go pre?

[kon44]

Playing the New Years Series Deepstack and just had AA back to back which is nice for once lol.... Well, it’s never happened before actually. It’s sparked me to share the fact that to many’s disgust, I’ve folded AA, KK, AK, AQ in many situations on very many occasions pre. This thread however I’ll stick to just AA, and to find out what others think and indeed any of you that have also just let them go because you have the disgruntled will to.

The 3rd or 4th time I folded AA pre (1st time for another occasion) I’d been playing cash for 2 solid days, well more like 36 to 40 hours and had spun a sum of around £250 all the way up to £6/7k through table and game hopping... with a little roulette here and there in-between. I was sat at a deep 2/5 game with about 4/5k in front of me and basically 4 people were all in before me so I opted to lose my Straddle of £10 than to play into the hands of the guy on my left who had Super Straddled to £25. I’d been milking him due to his aggressive play and he had very deep pockets from my observations. He jumped in on the action, added to the solid player and I dodged losing £2k to a donkey low flush who was pretty deep also and tilting hard..... I got up and left the table after this hand and went to a different card room.


And tilting moment lol... just got busted by a donkey with A6 who got it in against my JJ in the tourney i was in when I began this post lol... ffs haha 🙈

Apparently the 1st and 3rd pics are too large so you only get the middle pic of the second AA flyer the first.,., fat lot of good it didn’t me a couple orbits later.... A6 jam pfft....

 

[G0930]

Playing the New Years Series Deepstack and just had AA back to back which is nice for one lol.... Never happened before actually. It sparked me to share the fact that to many’s disgust, that I’ve folded AA, KK, AK, AQ in many situations. This thread however I’ll stick to just AA.

The 3rd or 4th time I folded AA pre (1st time for another occasion) I’d been playing cash for 2 solid days, well more like 36 to 40 hours and had spun a sum of around £250 all the way up to £6/7k through table and game hopping... with a little roulette here and there in-between. I was sat at a deep 2/5 game with about 4/5k in front of me and basically 4 people were all in before me so I opted to lose my Straddle of £10 than to play into the hands of the guy on my left who had Super Straddled to £25. I’d been milking him due to his aggressive play and he had very deep pockets from my observations. He jumped in on the action, added to the solid player and I dodged losing £2k to a donkey low flush who was pretty deep also and tilting hard..... I got up and left the table after this hand and went to a different card room.


And tilting moment lol... just got busted by a donkey with A6 who got it in against my JJ in the tourney i was in when I began this post lol... ffs haha 🙈

Being able to fold premium hands is a crucial skill for a poker player. seperates the wheat from the chaff.👌🏼 Also lost count how many times I folded your above mentioned hands.

Yes donkeys are the villain most of the time from my perception 🤣
Also...you know what they say.."JJ never ****ing win"

 

[badbanking79]

Imagine if all people would play like the 30 day guide says. What fun would be playing then.

Go easy on the donkeys, without a doubt you have been a donkey few times, just like everyone else happy new year

 

[jordanbillie]

The 3rd or 4th time I folded AA pre (1st time for another occasion) I’d been playing cash for 2 solid days, well more like 36 to 40 hours and had spun a sum of around £250 all the way up to £6/7k through table and game hopping... with a little roulette here and there in-between. I was sat at a deep 2/5 game with about 4/5k in front of me and basically 4 people were all in before me so I opted to lose my Straddle of £10 than to play into the hands of the guy on my left who had Super Straddled to £25. I’d been milking him due to his aggressive play and he had very deep pockets from my observations. He jumped in on the action, added to the solid player and I dodged losing £2k to a donkey low flush who was pretty deep also and tilting hard..... I got up and left the table after this hand and went to a different card room.

I have two issues with what was written here (above):

1) You were obviously playing too deep or too high of stakes for your own comfort zone, otherwise you wouldn't have folded AA preflop.

2) If you defend the decision to fold based on the fact that you can significantly outplay your opponent (they are making horrible mistakes), leaving the table was a big mistake.

 

[kon44]

I have two issues with what was written here (above):

1) You were obviously playing too deep or too high of stakes for your own comfort zone, otherwise you wouldn't have folded AA preflop.

2) If you defend the decision to fold based on the fact that you can significantly outplay your opponent (they are making horrible mistakes), leaving the table was a big mistake.

Not shirty response but you should read it again.....

 

[jordanbillie]

Not shirty response but you should read it again.....

I'm not sure what you mean here exactly.

I read your OP again just incase I missed something, but I don't think I did.

I still stand by my 2 points I mentioned.

 

[kon44]

I'm not sure what you mean here exactly.

I read your OP again just incase I missed something, but I don't think I did.

I still stand by my 2 points I mentioned.

Not shirty response but you should read it again..... Actually no, I’ll further explain myself.

1. I’ve been playing 36 to 40 hours.... I should have got up and left a whole day earlier lol

2. I’ve spun £250 up to over £6k. That means I’ve accumulated over 24 times what I sat with.... I’m not throwing that away in a moments bingo at a deeper table I’ve progressed to over the session.

3. I fold AA exactly for that reason... I don’t go to the casino or card room and play that limit lol

4. A player with extremely deep pockets, who is gunning for you on a table of equally deep pocketed chancers and tilters is a volatile environment to navigate when like you’ve cleverly gathered is a stack higher than what I’d have sat at... 👍 They would happily keep flipping with me till they won, I’d rather not play poker like that lol... don’t know about you....

 

[jordanbillie]

4. A player with extremely deep pockets, who is gunning for you on a table of equally deep pocketed chancers and tilters is a volatile environment to navigate when like you’ve cleverly gathered is a stack higher than what I’d have sat at... 👍 They would happily keep flipping with me till they won, I’d rather not play poker like that lol... don’t know about you....

This sounds like an ideal table to play at, which I would sign up for 10/10 times!

 

[kon44]

This sounds like an ideal table to play at, which I would sign up for 10/10 times!

I know, but I’m 40hrs old, at a table above my usual sit down lol.... That’s exactly why I’m getting up lol. 🤷‍♂️

 

[jordanbillie]

I know, but I’m 40hrs old, at a table above my usual sit down lol.... That’s exactly why I’m getting up lol. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, so that's my point and why playing above your limit is not wise. It can force you to make weird decisions because you are thinking of the money "off the tables." It gets you to think of the money, instead of the math.

 

[pasha poltava]

undoubtedly AA is a very strong hand, but not in all cases, I don’t remember more than once that without an all-in before the flop I won the pot with them, because a lot of players play on a very bad card, and they get it, it’s sad, maybe it’s because I I play at low stakes and no ranges will help you!!!

 

[MikeCarasone]

Only time I am folding them is in a satellite tournament where I am locked in to win already. Maybe on the wsop main event bubble to cash for 16k or so I I may have to come to a re evaluation but unlikely I will fold aces very often.

 

[G0930]

Imagine if all people would play like the 30 day guide says. What fun would be playing then.

Go easy on the donkeys, without a doubt you have been a donkey few times, just like everyone else happy new year

Yeah that's for sure, everyone can make a donk move.
Especially when I'm tired I play kinda donkeyish.
Like in the silver freeroll today🤣
Guess I need a lot of coffee for the freeroll on GG

 

[Robbit]

I never have folded AA preflop.

 

[kon44]

Yeah, so that's my point and why playing above your limit is not wise. It can force you to make weird decisions because you are thinking of the money "off the tables." It gets you to think of the money, instead of the math.

No, no, no, no, no noooo lol. I’m never like that lol. The game is soo much more than just the maths... Text book players are the easiest to manipulate at the table and I get the most money from them with eccentric hands when they are forced to play different which I often induce. I hear you and I can’t wait to play you somewhere lol.... Gonna run circles round you lol 😜

 

[eberetta1]

I am laughing my butt off. I folded pocket kings the other day to make sure I made the money. Then sure enough when I played pocket Aces against KQ, in the flop appears 2 kings to take me out of another tournament. I see the math. It is a bigger stack wins 80 pct of the time. No matter what two cards they play. So don't be afraid to fold a premium hand is the circle I hang out with. Just like life, we have to live with the consequences of our decisions. Don't get on the hoverboard, unless you can take the fall.

 

[Station_Master]

In a cash game we never fold AA pre. Never. As you will always be having the right equity to call.

Ok you wanted to lock up the win, but in that case dont sit at the table in the first place, as if we are not getting AA in pre then we are going to lose long term.

 

[rastapapolos]

I understand your logic, you've been playing for 40h and you build a nice stack, so loosing it all with a preflop jam vs multi player is very ugly. But would you call if this spot was early in your game ?

 

[fundiver199]

The 3rd or 4th time I folded AA pre (1st time for another occasion) I’d been playing cash for 2 solid days, well more like 36 to 40 hours and had spun a sum of around £250 all the way up to £6/7k through table and game hopping... with a little roulette here and there in-between. I was sat at a deep 2/5 game with about 4/5k in front of me and basically 4 people were all in before me so I opted to lose my Straddle of £10 than to play into the hands of the guy on my left who had Super Straddled to £25. I’d been milking him due to his aggressive play and he had very deep pockets from my observations. He jumped in on the action, added to the solid player and I dodged losing £2k to a donkey low flush who was pretty deep also and tilting hard..... I got up and left the table after this hand and went to a different card room.

If we are unwilling to put all our money into the pot, when we know, we are a statistical favourite, because we have the nuts, then something is clearly wrong. Especially in a cash game, where there are no ICM implications, like there sometimes is in tournaments. So realistically you should never have sat down at this table, or you should have left a long time ago, and before you got dealt AA. Sitting in a cash game and playing with "scared money" is a long term losing proposition.

 

[kon44]

If we are unwilling to put all our money into the pot, when we know, we are a statistical favourite, because we have the nuts, then something is clearly wrong. Especially in a cash game, where there are no ICM implications, like there sometimes is in tournaments. So realistically you should never have sat down at this table, or you should have left a long time ago, and before you got dealt AA. Sitting in a cash game and playing with "scared money" is a long term losing proposition.

Firstly thanks for inputting, I’m no stranger to your shortsighted stance with an unnecessary side dish of mildly obnoxious. Firstly I don’t use the calculators but I’m sure if you run AA against 4 hands or semi strength (baring in mind I referred to the donkey flush as a chancer who was tilting hard) I think you’ll find your AK loses 70% of the time. Not the foggiest what ICM, I could google it, pretend I’m on that ideology but I’d be lying to myself and shaming myself to those that I give advice too lol. That aside, why should I not be sitting at that table and how do you figure I’m playing with "Scared Money". Poker is a game of skill regardless of the nonsense ruling however many years back to drag it into Taxable or Bracketing legislative control I have no full understanding or genuine care for. Like I said it was a spin up, I'm a crazy player not reckless lol.

And true say, I know the topic makes very many (especially text book and new age... what ever the millennial generation term there shit haha) mad, but it’s exactly why you all tilt so hard. There are no boxes, labels or tags in anything. Sure there are many schematics and what not, but you restrict yourself to anything and you are forever limited to it. Catch me online after a Live Session and your in for a treat if I’m sat at .25/.50 plus. Software tries to wreck me but I’m free-rolling lol. That ICM must be online grind term, I’m sure to acknowledge it over the coming months into the year as I’ve been challenged to turn my SnG n MTT statistically £2k negative smile inside down lol.

If you cant fold AA pre I can’t wait to tangle with you lol 🤪

 

[Bnobob]

being with pairs is always a good way to double your bank but you won't get good profits playing with the pros making a pot is enough

 

[Station_Master]

Firstly thanks for inputting, I’m no stranger to your shortsighted stance with an unnecessary side dish of mildly obnoxious. Firstly I don’t use the calculators but I’m sure if you run AA against 4 hands or semi strength (baring in mind I referred to the donkey flush as a chancer who was tilting hard) I think you’ll find your AK loses 70% of the time. Not the foggiest what ICM, I could google it, pretend I’m on that ideology but I’d be lying to myself and shaming myself to those that I give advice too lol. That aside, why should I not be sitting at that table and how do you figure I’m playing with "Scared Money". Poker is a game of skill regardless of the nonsense ruling however many years back to drag it into Taxable or Bracketing legislative control I have no full understanding or genuine care for. Like I said it was a spin up, I'm a crazy player not reckless lol.

And true say, I know the topic makes very many (especially text book and new age... what ever the millennial generation term there shit haha) mad, but it’s exactly why you all tilt so hard. There are no boxes, labels or tags in anything. Sure there are many schematics and what not, but you restrict yourself to anything and you are forever limited to it. Catch me online after a Live Session and your in for a treat if I’m sat at .25/.50 plus. Software tries to wreck me but I’m free-rolling lol. That ICM must be online grind term, I’m sure to acknowledge it over the coming months into the year as I’ve been challenged to turn my SnG n MTT statistically £2k negative smile inside down lol.

If you cant fold AA pre I can’t wait to tangle with you lol 🤪

Nothing short sighted or obnoxious about what fundiver is trying to tell you. He's just saying it's a losing play folding AA pre in a cash game. I agree it's a bad play and if you are not prepare to put your stack in as the favourite pre-flop that is the definition of scared money.

 

[jordanbillie]

I think the OP just posted a thread asking for advice and then didn't like the advice recieved. 😉

 

[jordanbillie]

If you cant fold AA pre I can’t wait to tangle with you lol 🤪

This is hilarious.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

I would be embarassed to openly tell people i folded AA preflop when its not in a satellite. Only very bad players do that. Yes i get it the game was too high for you so u should have left long time ago. But in no way this is something to be proud of or even something that is worth to tell.

Your post is pretty bad written and hard to understand what u are on about sorry. Even after reading it multiple times i still dont get the action in that cash game where you folded ur AA.

If the goal of ur post was to tell us those AA and KK preflop folds u did were good then no, they were not. I does not matter if you would have lost.