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Message: [QUOTE="Aballinamion, post: 5414531, member: 289533"] [b]ok[/b] Hey guys thanks a lot for your comments. Now I would like to continue the subject and state that I have no ideia how to use these information you told me to: "[COLOR=#222533]Also take things like WtSD into account. Everything above 30 is a calling station and/ or is playing too passive postflop. Work on you're W$WSF and W$SD"[/COLOR] I utilize the HUD in cash games like this: VPIP/PFR/AF/3Bet/Fold to 3bet/ C-bet Flop/Fold to C-bet Flop/C-Bet Turn/Fold to C-bet Turn. However, as a beginner player, I don't know for sure how to utilize thins like WtSD and W$WSF. In the VPIP I put a pop-up to know how much players are calling position x position In the PFR I put another pop-up to know how much players Open Raise for position. I say that I don't know how to trust information that goes beyond the Turn, because my professors teach me that we need a huge amount of hands in the Turn/River for making reliable decisions. For example, it changes dramatically my decision making process the numbers of hands I have played with some x Villain: A) When I have a sample between 0-100 hands, I strongly tend to consider the Villain a Regular, unless, of course, the Villain makes some weird move that could change my mind. Nevertheless, I try to use my common sense and when I see a great variance, or discrepancy between VPIP and PFR I usually change my mind a little. Any difference and distance above 7 between VPIP and PFR I tend to consider the Villain a Fish. If the difference is more than 10 and I have a sample of only 100 hands played with this hypothetical Villain I would consider him a Fish, but even so playing carefully postflop, always considering the other Stats as AF, 3bet PF, Fold to 3bet PF, etc. B) When I have a sample between a 100-500, let's us picture an example, I have played 434 hands with a Villain whose Stats are (Cash Game, 6-Max, 2 NL and 5 NL) VPIP 20 PFR 16 (OR UTG: 15%/MP: 18%/CO: 25%/BTN 42%/SB: 37% AF: 3 3bet PF: 10 Fold to 3bet PF: 52% C-bet Flop: 54% Fold to C-bet Flop: 48% C-bet Turn: 46% Fold to C-bet Turn: 40% I consider this hypothetical Villain described above as a Tight Aggressive/Regular player. When he opens from EP (UTG/MP) I am quite sure he is strong. It is a player that sometimes, in a condition that I have enough equity, I would put up some semi-bluffs in the Turn, but the sample of hands I have (434 hands) impacts directly my decision making process: I am aware most of weak Regulars have trouble to lay down some strong Combos, specially when they feel they have equity and position. I think it is really a bad ideia try to overbluff Regulars like this out of position. How can I bluff a Regular who is thinking in the level zero of the game sometimes. We are tired to see over and over Regulars at these specific Stakes (2 NL, 5 NL) not to leave AA, KK postflop, no matter if a comet hit the board, no matter if there are Straight Flushes in Hero's range sometimes these guys simply cannot leave their hands, which makes the bluffing process kind of harsh and arid. There are Regulars that I played over 1 thousand hands and I am still not able to bluff this guy in the Turn or River. What I am trying to say is that polarization should be the name of 2 NL and 5 NL: players are ridiculously unbalanced to the side of Value (TAGs) or to the side of Bluff (LAGs). Regulars will fold too much to 3bet and 4bets, fold too much to Squeezes, The BB and SB will fold thousands of times, continuing with only 30% calling range and 15% 3betting range, these Regulars will fold postflop too specially to Check-Raises Turn in dry boards and also dry Rivers. Some Regulars are still playing their hands, not their Ranges, even today. C) When I have a sample of 500-100, specially versus Whales and Fishes, I change dramatically my gameplan and decision making preflop and postlfop. For example, if I have played more than 500 hands with the entire table, and I am playing Zoom, I know the guy in the MP has 56 BB Effective Stack, Stats of VPIP 45 PFR 3 AF 0,8 and I got for example the medium part of my range UTG (QQ-88, AJs-ATs, A5s-A4s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AQo+) and remembering that the CO, BTN, SB and BB are also Whales like the Villain in the MP and all of them have less them 70 BB Effective Stack. Now with this part of my range I can unbalance my play and raise which size I believe is more suitable for the situation ahead: sometimes I raise 5x from UTG with this Range, when there are only Whales in the table, sometimes I go for 6x, 7x even 10x. Why? Because these guys call way too much, they overcall. They use to play passively postflop most of their range, and when they show aggression I simply run because I know it is pure value (Considering players which could have AF between 0 and 2 for a sample of 500-1000 hands played, and the Whale gameplan is to bet values and fold non values) I also make nonsense bets postflop versus Whales like this with a Broken Stack. Let us suppose I played 872 hands with a Villain whose stats are VPIP 34, PFR 15, AF 1,2 and he is in the BB with only 48 BB Effective Stack and Hero is in the Button with 7-15% Range and it comes to GAP. The SB is a Nitty and now I like in Hero's shoes to be creative, specially when I have the top of my range. If I have AKo, AQo, AJo, for example, and it comes in Gap in a spot like this, I raise 4x from the BTN, knowing that the guy in the BB is not even thinking about Odds. And if I hit a Jack or a Queen, a King whatever and let us suppose there are 10 BB in the Pot, Villain BB has 44 BB left, I sometimes, of course, make a C-bet of 44 BB with my Top Pairs Decent Kickers, Top Pair Top Kickers, open ended, Flush Draw, and so on. However, if I am facing a Regular in the Big Blind and he has 100 BB Effective Stack, I would be Opening 3x with almost my entire Range and if I got a dry board I would C-bet 1/3 Pot, If a got a semi wet board I would C-bet something like 1/3 and 1/2 Pot, and when the board is very wet and connected I bet 1/2 Pot at maximum with my entire range, when in position, not considering the hand I have at the moment, but the Fold Equity, the way this Regular is seeing me on the Table, as a Tight Player as well and comes a board that I believe it is good to represent my range then I C-bet. Otherwise, I see no reason to be very creative at the Micros. D) When I have a sample of over 1000 hands. Now I really start adding a few bluffs Preflop and Postflop, for example: Generally, I open from UTG something between 2x and 4x, depending on the Table Configuration and my short term gameplan. And usually I open from UTG something like 10-15% of my Range. But sometimes there are many Nits on my Left, who elect to fold a ton versus EP Open Raises, and when I find a situation like that I increase my UTG/MP range like that: 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T6s+, 95s+, 85s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, 43s, 32s, AJo+ But, there are only a few spots where we can open so wide from UTG without risking our winrate. When there is a ton of Fold Equity I raise 2x, 2.5x because it doesn't make any difference for the NIT. And for the times I get called from the Blinds because the odds are really good I am protected versus a good part of the BB's Range, have position, initiative and hands that could play postflop very well, and also hands that usually realize their equity in Position versus the Blinds very good as a 74s, 64s, absurd hands that most players never think about opening from UTG. When when we have a huge sample of one thousands hands played with the whole table we can (not that we should) start to be creative and trying to get our opponents when they less expect. Nobody is expecting a TAG to be opening a T6s from UTG/MP because this TAG has 15% Raise from UTG, so he represents a very narrow and strong range. Sorry for being so long in my explanation. Now I would like to ask the players in the Forum, and specially you who brought the observation about the WtSD and W$WSF, how these things I said about sample of hands impacts our reading of these information? Should I trust small sample sizes when it comes to WtSD and W$WSF? How to get the most reliable information about it, and once again, thanks a lot for your work. Regards; Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa [/QUOTE]

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