Can you ever win in the long term at the microstakes? Low table VPIP

[chump39]

I'm currently a small winning player .01/.02 Coinpoker and breakeven .02/.05 at Coinpoker. I was a slightly wining poker at ignition, but their software is dodgy.

I'm using a hud so know the average 7max table has a VPIP of between 18-25% and 3bet 2-10%. Although the 3bet% is low the call 3bet% is at about 60%
See screenshot

Can't really find any players who are winning, most are loosing.

I'd like to be a winning player before moving up the stakes, but how? I live in Australia so it's Coinpoker or Ignition.

Any advice would be helpful.

 

[10gerka]

If you study and dedicate yourself to poker, you can make money playing at micro limits, but to do so, you always need to study hard.

 

[chump39]

If you study and dedicate yourself to poker, you can make money playing at micro limits, but to do so, you always need to study hard.

I'm studying ranges etc trying to play TAG poker. I do find it almost impossible to work out the ranges of some other players. I have drivehud 2 and some players are playing random ranges. Especially when it comes to calling 3bets?

 

[dorsk]

At the lowest micro stakes most are happy go lucky players. You can’t detect their range since they hardly have one. TAG is fine. Don’t try to bluff all the 📞 stations. Instead valuebet them to hell and high waters.

I'm studying ranges etc trying to play TAG poker. I do find it almost impossible to work out the ranges of some other players. I have drivehud 2 and some players are playing random ranges. Especially when it comes to calling 3bets?

 

[gaylord32]

The lower the Stakes the more often real fish and gamblers show up. A huge advice i can give is, if you only have nits sitting at the Table,
change the Table. Allthough you can also make money against them, its much better to look for tables that have at least 1-2 weaker players.

 

[EarnDAStack]

Why do you have GTO+ and a poker client open at the same time?

 

[hardongear]

Why do you have GTO+ and a poker client open at the same time?

Not a cheater here.....BUT.....if Coin Poker Ignition don't care and they obviously don't(this easy to catch) why wouldn't a player take advantage of trash sites like them? I don't and have NEVER played at either site after checking them out and doing some research. Choose the sites you play at wisely ladys and gents majority of you already don't. As most already play at a site that doesn't even have a current licensed/tested RNG at as of 6 months ago.

Moral of the story only play at sites that care about security. Don't bribed by freerolls and promotions worth pocket change. Security and trust is way more important then pocket change.

Cheers!!!

 

[Luvepoker]

You can win long term at most stakes but you need to contently work on your game. Do be careful with what you have open. Some sight can tell when you do and you can get a warning or ban.

 

[odonob]

I don’t think it’s viable. Just mentally too taxing to play to get an edge.

 

[eetenor]

I'm currently a small winning player .01/.02 Coinpoker and breakeven .02/.05 at Coinpoker. I was a slightly wining poker at Ignition, but their software is dodgy.

I'm using a hud so know the average 7max table has a VPIP of between 18-25% and 3bet 2-10%. Although the 3bet% is low the call 3bet% is at about 60%
See screenshot

Can't really find any players who are winning, most are loosing.

I'd like to be a winning player before moving up the stakes, but how? I live in Australia so it's Coinpoker or Ignition.

Any advice would be helpful.

As others have stated study is what helps you have an edge. Your study point is not GTO but how do I beat players who take these actions.
1 low 3 bets-- we get to play more hands preflop--but which hands is the key. We do not want to play hands cheaply preflop that lose big stacks post flop Kt off suit K9 K8 etc etc is often dominated post flop so that is not a hand we want to play--What other hands are dominated post flop?
What hands do well vs Broadway cards post flop?
With 60% call of 3 bet you want to study post flop play and learn to refine ranges on every street.

2 With a high preflop call % our focus on our V is when do they fold? Are they fit or fold on flop? What % of flops do they continue but fold turn or do they play all 3 streets if they call flop. Do they define their range post flop with bet sizes or actions?

The way to study this is to dive into your tracker and data mine the hands- all of them not just yours---it is many hours of work, but you did say you wanted to be a winning player

 

[pentazepam]

Poker is not for you if you can't spot the fish at 2NL.

You don't need a HUD, just find a table (or several) where player makes big mistakes. You don't win by being better than the regulars (even if that helps, of course).

You win by finding total idiots who make terrible mistakes like overbluffing or overcalling. If no fish/idiots play, it's difficult to beat the rake at micros for relative beginners.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Not a cheater here.....BUT.....if Coin Poker Ignition don't care and they obviously don't(this easy to catch) why wouldn't a player take advantage of trash sites like them? I don't and have NEVER played at either site after checking them out and doing some research. Choose the sites you play at wisely ladys and gents majority of you already don't. As most already play at a site that doesn't even have a current licensed/tested RNG at as of 6 months ago.

Moral of the story only play at sites that care about security. Don't bribed by freerolls and promotions worth pocket change. Security and trust is way more important then pocket change.

Cheers!!!

Because it's cheating! How does it make it okay if the site isn't one of the top sites? I think 888 sucks... so it's okay to cheat on there because I think it sucks? (I mean they should make their site better and because they don't, it's cool for players to cheat on there).
You can't honestly mean this?

 

[Flyer35]

Can you ever win in the long term at the microstakes? Low table VPIP​

Short answer - no. Whatever edge you might have by being better is chipped away by the blinds/antes, the 'fish' getting lucky, and mistakes caused by momentary lapses in concentration. Flipping burgers pays better. A computer/bot (which has no 'lapses) can make money because a few dollars an hour X hundreds of tables X tens of sites X 24 hours X 365 days adds up. Plus the computer/bot can't get the burger job so it has no other choice.

 

[hardongear]

Because it's cheating! How does it make it okay if the site isn't one of the top sites? I think 888 sucks... so it's okay to cheat on there because I think it sucks? (I mean they should make their site better and because they don't, it's cool for players to cheat on there).
You can't honestly mean this?

Yep it's cheating and I never said it makes it ok. 888 does suck. Again never said it was ok it's more like I'm not enough or a moron to be bribed be their promotions and pocket change freerolls so what do I personally really care? I don't. If morons wanna play at a site that allows cheating that's on them. I can't fix stupid just like I can't fix 888 being full of cheaters.

Same way I can't fix GG poker not having a tested and licensed RNG software(unless that's changed in the last 6 months). GG is honestly no better then 888 Poker but almost 500k(half million) play there at peak times. GG also have proven bot rings.

Same way I can't fix all the bots on ACR and the fact that ACR also allows players to play with GTO+ or solvers open.

I simply don't care about any of them sites why should I? I don't play there and can't fix them. And can't fix all the morons who support said sites and play there.

At this point online poker is basically F**KED, worthless and can't be trusted to be played beyond a couple sites and micro stakes. pokerstars, partypoker and micro stakes up to 25nl-50nl full-ring cash. Beyond that TRUST NOTHING.

And I know the above facts and my opinion won't get likes or up votes......but you know like the above truth about them sites IDGAF. I got more important things in life to worry and care about. Things I can also actually fix and change. So why should I give a shit about any of things I can't control and fix? Specially when I'm smart enough to avoid them.

Bring on all downvotes and hate. <-----it doesn't matter either to me just like all them site and their bs.

PS...20+ year winning player. I haven't played a single hand or MTT yet in 2025. Care to guess why? It's pretty simple....the state of online in 2025 just give my no desire of interest. Let that sink in.

Cheers!!!

 

[sleepers332]

At the lowest micro stakes most are happy go lucky players. You can’t detect their range since they hardly have one. TAG is fine. Don’t try to bluff all the 📞 stations. Instead valuebet them to hell and high waters.

Micro is tough , I rarely ever bluff or slow play play my good hands strong and fold even if I have perfect blockers to the nuts ,

 

[Poker Orifice]

Yep it's cheating and I never said it makes it ok. 888 does suck. Again never said it was ok it's more like I'm not enough or a moron to be bribed be their promotions and pocket change freerolls so what do I personally really care? I don't. If morons wanna play at a site that allows cheating that's on them. I can't fix stupid just like I can't fix 888 being full of cheaters.

Same way I can't fix GG poker not having a tested and licensed RNG software(unless that's changed in the last 6 months). GG is honestly no better then 888 poker but almost 500k(half million) play there at peak times. GG also have proven bot rings.

Same way I can't fix all the bots on ACR and the fact that ACR also allows players to play with GTO+ or solvers open.

I simply don't care about any of them sites why should I? I don't play there and can't fix them. And can't fix all the morons who support said sites and play there.

At this point online poker is basically F**KED, worthless and can't be trusted to be played beyond a couple sites and micro stakes. Pokerstars, Partypoker and micro stakes up to 25nl-50nl full-ring cash. Beyond that TRUST NOTHING.

And I know the above facts and my opinion won't get likes or up votes......but you know like the above truth about them sites IDGAF. I got more important things in life to worry and care about. Things I can also actually fix and change. So why should I give a shit about any of things I can't control and fix? Specially when I'm smart enough to avoid them.

Bring on all downvotes and hate. <-----it doesn't matter either to me just like all them site and their bs.

PS...20+ year winning player. I haven't played a single hand or MTT yet in 2025. Care to guess why? It's pretty simple....the state of online in 2025 just give my no desire of interest. Let that sink in.

Cheers!!!

there was a $25,000 freeroll on 888 today... took next to nothing to qualify for it (I'm actually not sure how I qualified as I rarely play on there... I'm thinking it's pts. from playing hands on cash games). Too bad I slept in.

I think the games on GG are great! I haven't played enough of them but hope to at some point.

BUT... rake is too high on all sites and player pool is too skilled (except on weekends).

I have zero tolerance for people having GTOW open while playing. The sites should all have zero tolerance as well and take action on cheaters immediately, giving them lifetime bans!
I'm interested to hear why OP had it open while playing??????????????????

 

[Station_Master]

In short, yes, you.just need to work on your games. For most people.it takes time (and study) to get good

 

[hardongear]

there was a $25,000 freeroll on 888 today... took next to nothing to qualify for it (I'm actually not sure how I qualified as I rarely play on there... I'm thinking it's pts. from playing hands on cash games). Too bad I slept in.

I think the games on GG are great! I haven't played enough of them but hope to at some point.

BUT... rake is too high on all sites and player pool is too skilled (except on weekends).

I have zero tolerance for people having GTOW open while playing. The sites should all have zero tolerance as well and take action on cheaters immediately, giving them lifetime bans!
I'm interested to hear why OP had it open while playing??????????????????

And play with a bunch of bots. And if they don't care about bots they don't care about GTO+. No thanks.

Site hasn't had a licensed or tested RNG since 2020 or 2021. No thanks. Plus GG done plenty of scummy shit besides not having a licensed or tested RNG.

There's no excuse good enough. It's cheating straight up.

Cheers!!!

 

[mclay]

I'm currently a small winning player .01/.02 Coinpoker and breakeven .02/.05 at Coinpoker. I was a slightly wining poker at Ignition, but their software is dodgy.

I'm using a hud so know the average 7max table has a VPIP of between 18-25% and 3bet 2-10%. Although the 3bet% is low the call 3bet% is at about 60%
See screenshot

Can't really find any players who are winning, most are loosing.

I'd like to be a winning player before moving up the stakes, but how? I live in Australia so it's Coinpoker or Ignition.

Any advice would be helpful.

See the screenshot where nothing is clear. Another spammer came with his nonsense. What call 3 bet at 60%, where did he see that? In short, another storyteller came, it's useless to waste time because of such people.

 

[thetick33]

I'm currently a small winning player .01/.02 Coinpoker and breakeven .02/.05 at Coinpoker. I was a slightly wining poker at Ignition, but their software is dodgy.

I'm using a hud so know the average 7max table has a VPIP of between 18-25% and 3bet 2-10%. Although the 3bet% is low the call 3bet% is at about 60%
See screenshot

Can't really find any players who are winning, most are loosing.

I'd like to be a winning player before moving up the stakes, but how? I live in Australia so it's Coinpoker or Ignition.

Any advice would be helpful.

Notes that make sense keep watching the videos here that are free how to be successful in 30 days or whatever....learn your ranges and learn your opponents....if your not winning at micro stakes you are doing something wrong suggestions work with a group to go over your weekly plays discuss etc....set up on youtube or something with group to go over this.....Again if you are losing your doing something wrong...This can be fixed.....Micro should be easy but biggest thing to realize any poker to me is simply you dont have to win every hand you dont have to play the hero....I have rules for live poker or ring i follow these rules religiously i dont care if is 10/20 or .01/.02 dont care if follow my rules im successful overall....these rules are simple betting patterns if on a rush i pay attention to cards being dealt i push...otherwise im beyond patient waiting for trap hands and play a trapping style a check check check raise thing....i honestly think im way too soft in this area since play omaha pl totally different and way more aggressive then holdem nl basically and way more profitable but its a comfort area and learned limit holdem working with annie and howard for awhile online....they gave me pointers and it worked....again treat as a job....have rules that make sense to you be open to suggestion follow micro stakes player who is winning on twitch youtube etc...discuss go over play find faults