When should you leave the table with a profit?

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Hi guys, what do you think when you should leave the table with a profit? For example, if you play NL10 and buy in with 4 dollars and after a few hands you reach 10 dollars, should you take the 6 dollars profit or just keep playing and risk everything? You can get into a hand with e.g. AA and lose to e.g. a three of a kind JJ. Then the entire stack would be gone again. But I also see players who have well over 100 dollars even at NL10.

Is there a formula from professionals that mathematically says it is best to get up from the table and leave it?
 
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First of all if you are a winning player, you should buy in for the table maximum and use auto top-up, so that you are always sitting with the table maximum. Most commonly that is 100BB, but sometimes it can be more. In ACR BLITZ (fast fold) it is 120BB for instance, and GG Poker has a big ante game, where its 200BB. The reason for this is, that playing with a deeper stack give the highest potential winrate, and it also simplify things, because you can focus mainly on your 100BB strategy and not on 40BB strategy and everything in between.

In the past there were some regulars, who bought in for 40BB as a deliberate strategy called cap stacking, but this has largely gone out of fashion, and I dont recommend it. But IF you were to do this, then you should probably leave after dubbling up, because otherwise you are not really playing a cap stack strategy anymore. This is also one of the reasons, why I dont recommend it, because it sucks to leave a good table, just because you won a pot. And most sites have some sort of anti ratholing policy, which mean, that if you were to join the same table again within an hour or so, then you would be forced to buy in for the amount, you left with.

So assuming, you bought in for 100BB, when should you then leave? For me the main answer is, when the table is no longer good. In a cash game you should always be able to identify at least 1-2 players, who are significantly worse than you. And if you cant, maybe because they got stacked and left, then its also time for you to leave.

The other situation is, if another good player to your left is also sitting with a large stack, so that you are perhaps 250BB deep against that player but only 50BB against the bad players. This is an unprofitable situation, which is it reasonable to decline being part of. A final situation is, if you are sitting with more than 5% of your total bankroll, and someone else have you covered. Then its reasonable to leave for risk management reasons.

But in general I love playing with a big stack, because it gives a good "table image", where often other players will try to stay out of your way. So rather than leave tables to "lock up a win", it often makes sense to do the exact opposite and stay on tables, where things have been going your way but leave those, where they have not. A bit like the stock investment strategy of "keep your winners but dump your losers".

The situation, where I will most commonly leave to "go south", is in fast fold style games like Zoom on pokerstars. The reason is, you can easily join the same player pool again with 100BB (or 120BB on ACR), and I dont feel, that I have an edge in these games playing with a 200+ BB stack. Which will happen quite commonly, since many players build up big stacks.
 
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I don't leave the tables - other players do.

Seriously: if you play for money you have to treat it as a job and play your hours every day. If you don't find any fish or think you have any edge (or you for some reason can't play good it can of course be OK to take a break.

But if you're up or down should not be any major concern. Unless you tilt when down to much - in that case a stop loss can be smart.
 
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Seriously: if you play for money you have to treat it as a job and play your hours every day.
Sure but leaving a certain table does not mean ending your session. If you play for profit, you should multitable, and you should also do table selection, where you regularly reconsider, if you are on the right tables. Unless of course in Zoom style games, where table selection is not possible.
If you don't find any fish or think you have any edge (or you for some reason can't play good it can of course be OK to take a break.
If you cant find any good tables at all, its a good idea to take a break. And if this happen regularly then also consider, if you are playing the right games on the right site at the right time of day.
But if you're up or down should not be any major concern. Unless you tilt when down to much - in that case a stop loss can be smart.
Completely agree. A "stop win" or "locking up a win" makes no sense, unless you have a tendency to go on massive "winners tilt", where maybe winning cause you to become a reckless gambler or something. And in that case this is really something, you need to work on, if you are playing for profit, because that should absolutely not happen.

A "stop loss" makes more sense, because it protects your bankroll, and it can be really difficult to still enjoy the game and play well, if you have gotten stacked a number of times due to coolers or bad beats. A "stop loss" also force you to get away from situations, where maybe you were not just unlucky, but perhaps you also did not play well, or you got outplayed by better opponents.
 
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If you cant find any good tables at all, its a good idea to take a break. And if this happen regularly then also consider, if you are playing the right games on the right site at the right time of day.
When I played for money I had at least 6 tables going on and always switched to a better one if one "dried out". And I played at any time of the day (but most often in the US evening/night time).

In today's games, you are correct - you don't just have to multi-table but also "multi-site".

And it's also often hard to find really good games at all over 10-25NL.

Sad but true.

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Hi guys, what do you think when you should leave the table with a profit? For example, if you play NL10 and buy in with 4 dollars and after a few hands you reach 10 dollars, should you take the 6 dollars profit or just keep playing and risk everything? You can get into a hand with e.g. AA and lose to e.g. a three of a kind JJ. Then the entire stack would be gone again. But I also see players who have well over 100 dollars even at NL10.

Is there a formula from professionals that mathematically says it is best to get up from the table and leave it?
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First, realize this point. And then just think about what kind of work brings you at least some pleasure. And don't look at the ease of the start. It's better to look at the prospect.And about ease. Is it possible to succeed in poker today, spending less than 200 hours a month? And most likely there will be an inconvenient schedule, nights, weekends.I think it was relevant 20 years ago, and now, when people around earn money by streaming, just playing regular computer games, freelancers who travel the world and sit at a laptop for 5-6 hours a day, cryptocurrencies appeared out of nowhere and against this background, there is nothing unusual in playing poker.If you play with cheaters and don't realize that they are just cheating you by looking at your cards, then there is probably something wrong with your professional skills. This also includes any cheating, whether online or offline.It just amazes me how everyone around me says that everything is bad in poker, and then some guy goes to NL10 and makes $1,500 there in a month lying on his bed, it seems like it must be a shame to write after that that there is no money in poker.Play 20 dollars in cash and quit, and that's how it always is.
 
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You must watch and write down your course. Poker is a mathematical sequence, so you can have a picture of your usual earnings or loses and leave the game at the right point.
 
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When you feel that you are not playing your best game, you need to leave the table.
 
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