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Message: [QUOTE="Dorugremon, post: 2026722, member: 94033"] Good going, making the transition. The A Number One thing to keep in mind is that at live play, your opponents are right there, not sitting behind a screen somewhere. That's free information for the taking. The biggest mistake I see from on-line players is not getting a line on the other players. It's as major a mistake as not availing yourself of statistics and HUDs when playing on-line. Both these examples exemplify the same mistake. You give these players too much credit. You encounter [I]a lot[/I] of rec players, fish, and gambly types in live play. You're not in there with a table full of Tom "Durrr" Dwan's. They're not paying attention and are frequently playing group Solitaire. They think "range" means that appliance they cook on, and "equity" has something to do with real estate. They have no appreciation about bet sizing, and I once had an opponent lead into me and one other player for $50 into a $300 pot when he hit his flush on the turn. I insta-called with my flopped set, having ten outs and getting 7 : 1 odds to call. Yeah, $50 is a lot when you're filling the tank of your SUV, but it's tiny in comparison to what was out there in the center of the table. They don't consider that. They don't consider the size of the stacks as opposed to the pot size. It goes right over their heads with parsecs to spare because they don't even know these things [I]are[/I] considerations. This is not to say you should auto-assume every opponent at your table is a yutz. Most are, but you should always be aware of who's there and how they're playing. You just might find someone like me sitting there, and I [I]will[/I] take your stack if you're not careful. "I lead out for $35, and she quickly calls (this was very common - she was basically a calling station). I put her on a decent pair, like TT+, double broadway, and Ax (I had seen her call with very weak Ax to standard raises)". You can't assume that. Yeah, if this were a reasonable, knowledgeable player, it's a likely range for her to have. However, you can't rule out that she might have a nine. These players see something like (8, 9-off) and think: "Hmmmm... this looks interesting", and they'll call even if you made it $35 on top with aces wired. They're not thinking about your possible raising range, not considering that they're likely way behind. They're thinking: "Pretty!", and they're calling. Later, you can't rule out the possibility that they flopped a set because they just might have. I had a very similar situation: pocket aces, big preflop raise, one caller OTB. Flopped: 9, 9, 2 -- rainbow. Standard sized, 2/3rds pot c-bet. He called. Pot sized turn bet after some irrelevant card dropped off, and he shoves over the lead. This would often be a call. Against a reasonable player, you have equity to call. Here, I hero folded, as I knew this player would never make that play without at least a nine. They will show you some of the damnedest hands, so never think it's inconceivable he has what he's repping, because he just might have it against all logic and good sense. [spoiler] He called the preflop raise with pocket deuces, flopped the underfull, and got pist when I refused to pay him off. He showed while screaming: "How could you fold now?!" When asked about this play, he told the player to his immediate left that he always plays pocket deuces all the way to the river. At first, I doubted that, but his later play confirmed: he always plays pocker deuces to the river. [/spoiler] The second hand: "I'm on the BTN holding J7hh. MP opens to $12 (the standard raise at the table), and gets 2 callers. I elect to call, which is pretty loose imo, but with position and with the pot already bloated, I felt okay about it, especially since someone else could call in the blinds. SB folded, BB called, and we went to the flop 5-way". So far, so good. I would advise, however, that while you're adjusting to live play, to stay away from such hands. You're not costing yourself all that much by passing, especially while you're learning. "I decided to shove over him, thinking that even if he had something like AA, I could hit any J, any 7, and any heart to win. I also didn't have an image of so much aggression with just draws, so I thought he would fold overpairs sometimes (but not all the time), expecting I had a set". This is just plain bad figuring. Unless you really know your player, this is the wrong way to play. Rec players are never laying down an overpair. If he had pocket aces, then it's a "till death do us part" proposition. It takes a thinking player to make that lay down, so you have no fold equity here. Your best play would be to call the c-bet, keep the pot small, until you actually hit that draw. No sense in making it more expensive than it needs to be. Just call with position. For the most part, your opponents aren't thinking much beyond the "I can has aces!" level. Your hand hardly figures into their "calculations" once they see the flop. You don't need to be tricky here. If you hit the flush, trip up, or make two pair, they'll still call when you shove into them, and curse their "bad luck" when those pocket rockets go down in flames. Don't overestimate your opponents, and don't be going to Level Three when they hardly get past Level Zero. You don't want to just blithely think every opponent is an unthinking fish, but a lot of the times, that's just what they are. [/QUOTE]

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