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Message: [QUOTE="Matt Vaughan, post: 2003994, member: 34747"] Okay so on that KK hand from a few days ago, the BB folded, and UTG tanked for a long, LONG time. He was thinking about it for like 3 minutes, and then he looked at me (I saw him out of my peripheral vision), and he flips over one of his cards. I had been trying not to look at him at all, etc, look as bluffy as possible, stock-still. I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point that I had the best hand. He would never ever take this long to call with 7x or better. When he flipped over one of his cards, I didn't look at first - I wasn't sure if I wanted to look (since he wanted me to). After waiting a second and with me still not looking, UTG actually waved (yes, WAVED) his card in my direction, trying to get me to look at it. I looked. It was an 8. "This beats AK, you know" he said. He had a bit of a russian accent, so it sounded really epic (think Rounders-esque) when he said that. I looked back at the community cards. Apparently he thought I hadn't heard him so he said louder "this BEATS ace king!" I looked back at him, and made the mistake of asking "does it?" Then I looked back at the community cards, gulped hard, and grinded my back teeth a little, praying I looked weak. He tanked for another 2+ minutes. Time sort of lost meaning for me frankly. I lost the feeling in my arms, which were resting on the table, one hand protecting my cards. After what felt like an eternity, he looked at his cards one last time, and tossed them into the muck. He said he had A8. I didn't say anything, didn't show either of my cards, and just collected the pot. I was asked a question about what I was holding and didn't trust myself to answer at all, so I didn't say anything. For the next 3 or 4 hands, people were talking about me. It was a pretty strange experience. But it felt really good, in a way, and was quite helpful for getting some info on some of the players. Stuff like "he had to have had you beat" and "he obviously had an overpair" were thrown around, and were very helpful in identifying which players had more of a clue than I had realized. The BB claimed to have also folded A8. I'm not sure if I believe both of them, but it would have made a lot of sense if they both had A8. This was a session where my friends were there. They asked me about how UTG had showed one of his cards while the hand was still going, and whether that should have made the hand dead or not, etc. Obviously the hand isn't dead (you can play your hand face up if you really want...), but imo it is walking a fine line of angle-shooting. I'm curious what you all think about the "strategy" of flipping up one card to try to illicit a reaction from someone who is all in. Do you think it's in poor taste? Borderline angle-shooting but fine? Do you think it's even worth the info you give away by showing a card? Would you ever do it? [/QUOTE]

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