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Message: [QUOTE="Weisssound, post: 2346950, member: 103488"] I can think of a number of lines that do this that don't beat a straight. But I can think of a lot of lines that do... Villain is flatting a three bet out of position. That's a big clue as to what's going on. There's really only a few things this implies: A) Villain's hole cards are so strong she feels she's likely to get money on later streets. AA/KK/QQ. B) Villain has a marginal hand that she feels she can see a flop with - AQ/AK/KQsuited. C) Villain is very loose and will play speculative hands out of position. Her VPIP is fairly high so we can consider pocket pairs, and suited connectors as a possibility. We can also assume that A 3 off is fairly disguised and that big Aces and big suited connecters, or hands like 10s, JJ, QQ are a more likely read, with KK and AA being reasonable possibilities. Ok, so 2 45 on the flop. A check, a 2/3ish pot bet and a call. We can assume whatever would call pre-flop that isn't dead-looking would play this line. So AA, KK, QQ, 67, 22, 33, 44, 55, AK. Now what does she have you read for? This looks like a pretty run-of-the-mill c bet so its probably the exact same range you've been read for pre-flop. Turn. Q. Another 2/3 pot bet. If I didn't know your pre-flop cards, from the villain's perspective, I would think your most likely hole cards are AQ/KQ, with a second possibility being 10 10 - A A. So whatever the villain is calling with has to at least beat a pair of 10s. I think this narrows her range to JJ, KK, AA, AQ, KQ or 55, 44, 22. I think speculation is out at this point, and I think cold bluffs are out because your bet is too much in that "perfect value" zone. River 2 So the question is, what checks the river, sees a 1/3 pot raise and shoves. The thing about that raise is that (in my experience) the only reason people do 2/3s 2/3s 1/3d is because they don't feel their opponent has a strong enough hand to call more and you would maybe like to induce a bluff. To me, your line reads strength. If the villain had AQ/KQ I think its a flat call. Out. AA and KK might shove here if they feel you solidly have AQ - but me personally, I've been bit on the river so many times with AA that I think a flat call is fairly likely. QQ would definitely shove here, as would 55, 44, and 22. The only other clue is the tanking. Tank-checking a set of queens in my experience isn't usually how that trap goes. It's usually: moment of hesitation cause holy shit there's my set, followed by a quick check. The tank-check would be more indicative of AQ. The tank call makes sense for AQ, QQ and 55. If it's AQ, it's about: am I still beat here? If it's QQ/55 it's: how can I get value here? The tank-check on the river is weird though. I don't think hands like AQ really need to think too much about a check here. I think the only likely possibilities are that villain has AA/KK, tries to figure out if she's ahead, figures she is. OR villain has 55/QQ is hoping you're strong enough to go for it. It's a tricky spot. My question would be, how often were you calling on that table? If you were calling a lot then I think QQ/55 is more likely for that shove. Just my thoughts. [/QUOTE]

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