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[QUOTE="Matt Vaughan, post: 2337271, member: 34747"] Good point on TT, and kind of what I was trying to figure out. I agree the sizing is a big part of it. Still not sure if flop is a definitive fold, but def close. KTs: Again, I have no idea how much you play live, but when I say decent, I don't mean that they have solid preflop ranges necessarily. I'm typically referring more to postflop. Fwiw he was limping a lot from a variety of positions, and even open limping a fair bit. This is pretty standard for a lot of live regs, including some otherwise decent ones. Also, I'm not saying his EP limping range is only bad broadways... I'm saying in this spot, when he limp over-calls pre and then donks into this board, he has purely value hands, and probably stronger than 1 pair hands, although I guess it's possible that he would lead QJ or T9 - I just didn't think so at the time. I also don't think you can extrapolate that he has ALL those hands AND bets them. Kind of just going on personal experience now, but I don't know what you expect me to draw on since I obviously don't have that-specific a read on a player that I'm not playing with every day. Can only see so many hands against players live in a room that regularly gets 15+ tables of 1/2 going. You're over-generalizing my statement. I said people don't vbet THINLY (wide) in multiway pots [I]on the river[/I]. And not every player has a moderate bluffing frequency there, no. But when both players in the pot with him check 2 streets back, if he's paying even a slight amount of attention, he knows our ranges are weak (yes I'm aware he's not thinking in terms of ranges). But he knows we're not strong. So I don't think it's a stretch to say he's bluff-heavy here. In fact I don't see how claiming a bad player is unbalanced at live 1/2 on the river is really ever going to be a stretch. Edit: Maybe I got "super lucky" here and caught his only bluffing combo. I guess we can't know for sure. But it really didn't even seem that close to me at the time. I saw him do it once and show down 44, and another time he basically said it aloud, and I didn't have a reason not to believe him. I didn't even view it as a 3b tbh. I saw it as a "pot-sweetener raise" where he just wants the pot slightly larger for if he flops a set, and maybe he gets some FE too. Not saying it's good, just saying that was my expectation. Fwiw (results-oriented), he was pissed after the AQ hand cause he had 66 and the board ran out with a 6 and he would have scooped. [/QUOTE]
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