Limping A,Q off in a very loose aggressive table

[peppe94]

Hi everyone,
I play every day in a 2/3 game. Usually when I’m in the button, cutoff or hijack with hands like A,Qo A,Jo, K,J, K,Q. Pocket 9, pocket 8 I tend to 5 bet. But sometimes I ended up in tables where players are very loose. And when I have these kind of hands they often call my bets, even if I bet 25 $ or 30 $ I ended up in a 4 or 5 ways pot. Most of the time I miss the flop and I never know where I’m standing. When I do a continuation bet some players keep calling. So I prefer to check and if someone bets I fold especially on a low board. So recently in tables like that I decided to start limp all these hands preflop. I limp because there is a high chance that someone after me will raise and I just call. Then most of the time I check the flop if is not good for me. bluffing really doesn’t work because they will keep calling even with bottom pair. What do you think of this strategy? Do you have any advices? Thanks in advance for your answe 🙏

 

[Station_Master]

Terrible strategy.
Why do you want someone to raise and then you call. Alot of the time you will miss and fold to their cbet. Far better to raise preflop and be the aggressor. You don't necessarily need to bluff, about a third of the time you will hit an A or Q and win a big pot if your opponents are as sticky as you say.

 

[eetenor]

Hi everyone,
I play every day in a 2/3 game. Usually when I’m in the button, cutoff or hijack with hands like A,Qo A,Jo, K,J, K,Q. Pocket 9, pocket 8 I tend to 5 bet. But sometimes I ended up in tables where players are very loose. And when I have these kind of hands they often call my bets, even if I bet 25 $ or 30 $ I ended up in a 4 or 5 ways pot. Most of the time I miss the flop and I never know where I’m standing. When I do a continuation bet some players keep calling. So I prefer to check and if someone bets I fold especially on a low board. So recently in tables like that I decided to start limp all these hands preflop. I limp because there is a high chance that someone after me will raise and I just call. Then most of the time I check the flop if is not good for me. Bluffing really doesn’t work because they will keep calling even with bottom pair. What do you think of this strategy? Do you have any advices? Thanks in advance for your answe 🙏

I am a little confused when you say 5 bet do you mean 5x a bet or put in the 5th bet on the BTN--if its the 5th bet you should be folding all of these hands.

As to 5x on the btn we want to 4x the opener and then add 1bb per player live if you are the third player in the pot then you should 6x the open this counts the BB as live. If you are getting called 4-5 ways after you raise 5x the opener and then called down you should adapt your ranges not your actions preflop and then adapt your actions post flop. So we want to raise hands that dominate and block nut hands ---AQ AJ are good for this---KQ KJ have good EQR which plays well vs stations post flop but we do not want to build big pots until we see the flops because 4 players have board coverage on all boards and we cannot win when V fold because they do not fold. 99 88 are always set mines vs this table type.

 

[peppe94]

Terrible strategy.
Why do you want someone to raise and then you call. Alot of the time you will miss and fold to their cbet. Far better to raise preflop and be the aggressor. You don't necessarily need to bluff, about a third of the time you will hit an A or Q and win a big pot if your opponents are as sticky as you say.

Thanks. How about post flop when I don’t hit? If I’m the aggressor, do you think I should do a continuation bet on a low board in a multiway pot?

 

[peppe94]

Terrible strategy.
Why do you want someone to raise and then you call. Alot of the time you will miss and fold to their cbet. Far better to raise preflop and be the aggressor. You don't necessarily need to bluff, about a third of the time you will hit an A or Q and win a big pot if your opponents are as sticky as you say.

Thanks. How about post flop when I don’t hit? If I’m the aggressor, do you think I should do a continuation bet on a low board in a multiway pot

I am a little confused when you say 5 bet do you mean 5x a bet or put in the 5th bet on the BTN--if its the 5th bet you should be folding all of these hands.

As to 5x on the btn we want to 4x the opener and then add 1bb per player live if you are the third player in the pot then you should 6x the open this counts the BB as live. If you are getting called 4-5 ways after you raise 5x the opener and then called down you should adapt your ranges not your actions preflop and then adapt your actions post flop. So we want to raise hands that dominate and block nut hands ---AQ AJ are good for this---KQ KJ have good EQR which plays well vs stations post flop but we do not want to build big pots until we see the flops because 4 players have board coverage on all boards and we cannot win when V fold because they do not fold. 99 88 are always set mines vs this table type.

 

[peppe94]

Thanks. Sorry my English is not fluent. I meant raising 5 or 6 times the BB. So you said that I should still open A,Q and A,J but it is ok to limp with k,Q or K,J and middle pairs pockets in a table like that?

 

[fundiver199]

Thanks. How about post flop when I don’t hit? If I’m the aggressor, do you think I should do a continuation bet on a low board in a multiway pot?

No. If its a multiway pot, and you miss completely, like having AsQd on 8c7h2c, then just check and fold, if someone behind you bet. Or maybe it get checked around, and you spike an A or Q on the turn. If its a 4-way pot, you only need to win it 1 in 4 times, and this does not change, just because you were the preflop aggressor. And as someone said already, you will flop a pair 1 in 3 times, so no need to fight for any of those pots, where you miss completely.

 

[63burner]

If you're playing against super-aggressive bettors and super-aggressive isn't your normal style: 1) I would leave that table and find a table you're more comfortable with the playing style. 2) Playing against super-aggro implies Sup-aggro has enough chips, they don't care about losing; they'll play anything. In this case, have a part of your BR that you are comfortable gambling with, and play a little more aggressively, if they see you as a tight player. You'll feelbetter, taking on the super-aggro challenge, and you will have a clear conscience; you only speculated with a little of your BR..

 

[Station_Master]

Thanks. How about post flop when I don’t hit? If I’m the aggressor, do you think I should do a continuation bet on a low board in a multiway pot?

Not on a bad board multiway.

If it's heads up and a decent board, e
g. J42 or KT3 , then yes you could cbet.

 

[thetick33]

Well might be unconventional thinking but...Unless is top 3 monster in aggro table? 5 people calling im probably limping everything....Waiting on hits and always always checking till I hit sets aq i hit the ace or queen etc...i check let them lead just call is 2 to 3 players if get heads up with that ace or queen hit i double their bet back....thats how i would handle this but everyone plays the game different ways...yet if I played this way? Id come out with a lot of money imo and its worked for 40 some years for me on aggressive players in low to mid stakes ring game nlhe so ya that is how i play here....Im looking for the big hits and making them pay for it...they never get information when i just check and honestly? most of the time they are continuing bets etc...and got nothing

 

[Aballinamion]

Hi everyone,
I play every day in a 2/3 game. Usually when I’m in the button, cutoff or hijack with hands like A,Qo A,Jo, K,J, K,Q. Pocket 9, pocket 8 I tend to 5 bet. But sometimes I ended up in tables where players are very loose. And when I have these kind of hands they often call my bets, even if I bet 25 $ or 30 $ I ended up in a 4 or 5 ways pot. Most of the time I miss the flop and I never know where I’m standing. When I do a continuation bet some players keep calling. So I prefer to check and if someone bets I fold especially on a low board. So recently in tables like that I decided to start limp all these hands preflop. I limp because there is a high chance that someone after me will raise and I just call. Then most of the time I check the flop if is not good for me. Bluffing really doesn’t work because they will keep calling even with bottom pair. What do you think of this strategy? Do you have any advices? Thanks in advance for your answe 🙏

I don't like your strategy. The question is, why are we playing in a table full of loose aggressive or loose passive players? What are we trying to do? Our first strategy is to try to players that we have edge upon it, because it really doesn't matter if we own AQ, AJ, KJ, KQ, 99, 88 or whatever, if we cannot have edge upon our opponents. We are just wasting time and patience. The strategy is to look for a more passive or a more tight table (where we can find passive NITS for example).
Personally I don't practice limping and I do recommend it.

 

[Rmi]

Assuming that cleaning is a bad player's move, if the table is loose, there's no point in cleaning that hand, I would get value out of it right from the start

 

[eetenor]

I don't like your strategy. The question is, why are we playing in a table full of loose aggressive or loose passive players? What are we trying to do? Our first strategy is to try to players that we have edge upon it, because it really doesn't matter if we own AQ, AJ, KJ, KQ, 99, 88 or whatever, if we cannot have edge upon our opponents. We are just wasting time and patience. The strategy is to look for a more passive or a more tight table (where we can find passive NITS for example).
Personally I don't practice limping and I do recommend it.

Loos passive and loose aggressive players are how we make a lot of money--we just have to know how to max out our good hands.

 

[Aballinamion]

Loos passive and loose aggressive players are how we make a lot of money--we just have to know how to max out our good hands.

Yes, I agree but some players have more edge upon loose passive and some others have more edge upon loose aggressive ones. There are those who have edge upon any of them, which is not my case.
What I meant is that he should try to avoid tables full of both players because it is really complicated to play.
Personally I like to have at maximum just one or two loose passive on a table, more than that they will start to limp into the pot 70% of time or more turning my game hard.

 

[makisaa]

Hi everyone,
I play every day in a 2/3 game. Usually when I’m in the button, cutoff or hijack with hands like A,Qo A,Jo, K,J, K,Q. Pocket 9, pocket 8 I tend to 5 bet. But sometimes I ended up in tables where players are very loose. And when I have these kind of hands they often call my bets, even if I bet 25 $ or 30 $ I ended up in a 4 or 5 ways pot. Most of the time I miss the flop and I never know where I’m standing. When I do a continuation bet some players keep calling. So I prefer to check and if someone bets I fold especially on a low board. So recently in tables like that I decided to start limp all these hands preflop. I limp because there is a high chance that someone after me will raise and I just call. Then most of the time I check the flop if is not good for me. Bluffing really doesn’t work because they will keep calling even with bottom pair. What do you think of this strategy? Do you have any advices? Thanks in advance for your answe 🙏

I think that better is to be tight aggressive, and be careful when will you get in a hand. But not to be so passive because you don't have any control of the hand.

 

[antonis32123]

At zoom 2nl I would play very tight the AQo , I have been a victim of crazy hands many times , against AK , AA , sets . It makes you wonder what hand is strong enough generally in online poker nowadays .