AA Post Flop, reraise, GENERAL information

[Traggy]

I have been running into sets a bit more the usual lately and I was wondering how you generally put the player on a set with a post flop re-reraise both full stacks. Two situations.

Situation One:

I know we have all had AA in early position, raised, and had a caller. Now, I need general information here. How, do we respond to a reraise to our C-bet on the flop, with nothing higher than a J on the board along with it being very Dry. (Important factor)

Situation Two:

Same as above, nothing higher than a J, but say two hearts with the other two cards being 10 and 5.


Any line that saves me money is appreciated.

Facing a generic solid Tag. Its a WA WB I know, but I really just want some thought process and see if I have been taking the correct line.

 

[xdeucesx]

Well, a little more on the board texture would be needed to declare a WA/WB. In sitaution 2, lots of flush/straight draws with a board of Jc10h5h. It's not a WA/WB.

Generally, its very player dependent ( I know, this doesnt help much haha). If the TAG is capable of floating some spots and his image of you is a tight-passive nit, then I'm shoving lots of spots. If he thinks your an aggro-loose opponent, who's capable of bluff-shoving, than I would respect his raise more.

Sorry its late and I'm attempting to write a term paper haha, if this isnt making sense, i apologize

edit: also, with AA on a J62r dry board, villian can easily be re-raising TPTK or even sometimes TP2K.

All of this is stakes dependent too, at <10nl, I'm probably just getting it in w/aces, bc you will see villain's stack off middle/bottom pair, A high, 2 overcards, etc.

 

[fx20736]

I struggle with this all the time too. I've run into Sets with AA/KK quite a bit lately. Every time my c-bet got re-raised villain had a set.

I think the thought that somehow we can play in a way to avoid ever getting stacked is wrong thinking. I think it finally has dawned on me that other than not playing poker at all the only way to avoid getting stacked ever is to fold to every shove unless you have the nuts after the River card has been dealt. It sucks to run into sets but how many times are we getting re-raised here because villain has a smaller overpair or a draw? It really is villain dependent how to bet here. If villain is an aggrotard with a huge AF stacks go in. If villain is a Nit/ TAG and called your pf raise in position and he re-raises you he probably has a set. The situation where it gets tricky is when a true TAG calls your preflop raise and board comes down 2 tone/ monotone and/or with a straight possibility. When villain re-raises does he have a set or is he on the draw? To re-raise him means betting ~ 60bb so here it's fold or shove. So maybe I might just flat the re-raise which costs me another 17bb and then re-evaluate on the turn. That way if villain did try a bluff he might not have courage to fire another barrel but if he does bet again it's probably a safe fold and instead of getting stacked we only less than 1/3 our stack. Of course on really scary boardsyou could just fold to a re-raise and look for a better spot to get your money in.

 

[acky100]

We all seem to struggle with this here, lately im just getting it in against the loose players providing they arent complete loose passives ( these guys only raise or bet when they have 1 pair crushed) And im happy to fold if the guy is pretty tight- nitty too as these guys tend to flat your raise with lots of pocket pairs and show up with sets much more than the looser fishes.

 

[Traggy]

People general slow play those sets, and reraise 4th with them at the Micro, but the real reason I have asked this is because people are beginning to reraise the flop on a dry board and have stopped trapping more, which is starting to give me the MUTB syndrome to any dry board reraise with a damn J on the board lol. From my experience really tight Tag's do not play AJ, KJ oop from the blinds, but they do play JJ without the 3-bet, which is exactly what has been nailing me about 8 times in the last 30k hands.

you can figure out JJ/1010/99 set pretty easily if you are allowed to three bet post flop, but these damn JJ limpers are astonishing. I can easily make the fold on 4th, aka beluga theorem, but this situation I struggle with. Why reraise the flop with a set when you have no idea what hand your opponent has.. Since you called his raise all he/she did was C-bet. They fold, you lost the chance of a second barrel that you can reraise, ESPECIALLY in situation one. There are few hands that your opponent has to have to be profitable here and its AA, KK, and maybe QQ.

Just a note I 4 table NL10. So reads sometimes are not there, and general knowledge of this situation helps. Thank you all for the posts!

 

[xdeucesx]

at 10nl, there not thinking. Your overthinking the situation (which is a good thing) bc at 10nl most players are only thinking about their cards, not what hands they can get value from.

They called your raise from sb with 66 and flop comes J62r. they check, you bet and they just want to shove. Its typical 10nl play, which is why it's so profitable. Most players aren't advanced enough to trap or even think about your hand at all.

Plus, lots of players are calling raises in the blinds with AJ, KJ, QJs, even J10s, this is 10nl where most of the fish don't understand position or it's advantages/disadvantages.


Hope this helps traggy and a delayed welcome to cc (2 months delayed lol)

 

[pissy10]

You are absolutely right... because many fish are ;-) i lose so many time`s whit AA vs AQ AJ .... or have so much money , or i dont have luck lol

 

[RideN2Aces]

Sounds like pokerstars, games full of nits 24 tabling.
I find it hard at times to even flop a set and not have someone with a better set.
Slow up with over pairs and get more agro with sets.
I look for spots to put someone on AA KK and get it all in on the flop with a set.
The games can be so tight, that if someone shows intrest in inflating the pot. Get it in and make them pay it off.
Really the only time I win with AA is when someone has KK and we get a raising war going.
Find a table with less nit regs at it, they all are nut huggers.

 

[Traggy]

Sounds like pokerstars, games full of nits 24 tabling.
I find it hard at times to even flop a set and not have someone with a better set.
Slow up with over pairs and get more agro with sets.
I look for spots to put someone on AA KK and get it all in on the flop with a set.
The games can be so tight, that if someone shows intrest in inflating the pot. Get it in and make them pay it off.
Really the only time I win with AA is when someone has KK and we get a raising war going.
Find a table with less nit regs at it, they all are nut huggers.

I 4 table Rush, I messed that up in my post. If I was ring I would be playing 16 tables. Left that important factor out lol