Kings

[Bombjack]

Was this played OK?

Reads on opponent: seems aggressive on the river - several times saw him raising on the river, usually uncalled, but without much of a hand once when he was called. Don't let this influence you too much though - he seemed fairly solid otherwise.

Table #118900 - Pagan King
Starting Hand #7865022
Last Hand #7864977
Game Type: Hold'em
Limit Type: No Limit
Table Type: Ring
Money Type: real money
Blinds are now $0.10/$0.20
Button is at seat 2
Seat 1: OnTheJazz - $48.84
Seat 2: Guvner - $4.60
Seat 4: capcavman - $20.84
Seat 5: Bombjack - $16.35
Seat 6: paul1848 - $6.56
Moving Button to seat 4
Bombjack posts small blind ($0.10)
paul1848 posts big blind ($0.20)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [ ] to Bombjack
OnTheJazz calls $0.20
Guvner folds
capcavman calls $0.20
Bombjack raises to $0.80
paul1848 folds
OnTheJazz calls $0.80
capcavman calls $0.80
Dealing Flop [ ]
(Pot = $2.60)
Bombjack bets $1.60
OnTheJazz folds
capcavman calls $1.60
Dealing Turn []
(Pot = $5.80)
Bombjack checks
capcavman bets $1.60
Bombjack raises to $4.80
capcavman calls $4.80
Dealing River []
(Pot = $15.40)
Bombjack bets $4.50
capcavman raises to $9.50
Bombjack calls $9.15 (all-in)
Returning $0.35 to capcavman uncalled
... results later

 

[Jack Daniels]

Have a question on your read first. In all the hands where he got aggressive on the river without being called, how was his aggression for the rest of the hand? Similar to his where he just called along?

The first thought that comes to mind is that he did make the flush too, but somethings telling me he doesn't have the Ah. I think your answer to the question above may play into other thoughts I'm having (such as Jx, etc).

 

[Spongetoe]

My guess is that he had AhTh. I think you played it pretty well with a solid raise pre-flop. He didn't show any strength before or after the flop. You made a pretty good bet on the flop, not giving him quite the odds he needed to draw at the nut flush with an overcard.

The third heart would have scared me especially after he finally bet and called the check-raise, definitely representing the flush. I think you were probably done after another heart came on the river, but I'm probably wrong.

I probably would have played it almost exactly the same.

 

[Bombjack]

Have a question on your read first. In all the hands where he got aggressive on the river without being called, how was his aggression for the rest of the hand? Similar to his where he just called along?

Just looking through the hand history I couldn't find much evidence of this tendency before the hand above, so maybe I'm thinking of later hands. Only the one below occurred before, and he might have hand a hand, who knows (J7o... gutshot straight... I know, I know...). He was pretty aggro pre-flop, but that doesn't prove anything. He did seem to call, call, bet the river.

Table #118900 - Pagan King
Starting Hand #7864758
Last Hand #7864713
Game Type: Hold'em
Limit Type: No Limit
Table Type: Ring
Money Type: Real Money
Blinds are now $0.10/$0.20
Button is at seat 1
Seat 1: OnTheJazz - $49.78
Seat 4: capcavman - $19.78
Seat 5: Bombjack - $17.95
Seat 6: paul1848 - $0 (away from table)
Moving Button to seat 4
Bombjack posts small blind ($0.10)
OnTheJazz posts big blind ($0.20)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Jh] [7s] to Bombjack
capcavman calls $0.20
Bombjack calls $0.20
OnTheJazz checks
Player [paul1848] rebuys $5
Dealing Flop [8s] [9d] [4c]
Bombjack checks
OnTheJazz bets $0.20
capcavman calls $0.20
Bombjack calls $0.20
Dealing Turn [Qs]
Bombjack checks
OnTheJazz checks
capcavman checks
Dealing River [5s]
Bombjack checks
OnTheJazz bets $0.40
capcavman raises to $1.20
Bombjack folds
OnTheJazz folds

 

[joosebuck]

based on a read of "solid"...

i dont think he would cold call a 4xr with at least better than AJs. you can expect: AQs/AKs/10's+ from your average .10/.20. Other possible limps include small-medium pocket pairs and 56s+ suited connectors. Flop play makes me think he hit a set with 88/33. (most players would RR JJ Preflop from his late position to isolate the raisor who is out of position) Could also be poorly played 10s or Queens. Turn and river play are very weird. Could somehow be drawing to the open ended SF or a gutshot SF... but i doubt that. My money is on something like 10s or Queens with a heart. That's the only conclusion i can get from such a big raise on the river. Guess he could've played AJs/AQs and waited for the river to see if you have the Qh or Kh to get money out of you... or AA and hit his flush.

But I'm sticking with 10s or Queens with the heart. Play at these limits is mostly straight-foreward.

 

[Bombjack]

i dont think he would cold call a 4xr with at least better than AJs. you can expect: AQs/AKs/10's+ from your average .10/.20.

Don't forget we're 5-handed here - starting requirements go down a lot from a full 10-player ring game. Not saying that's a clue (it isn't) but I think give him less credit. If it were me I'd definitely be raising rather than limping with AJs. In fact 5-handed I'd raise for value with A9, which I don't even play in a 10-handed game.

 

[joosebuck]

sorry, didnt even notice it was only 5 handed... you can tell how tired i am........

 

[t1riel]

I would have bet the pot after the flop. Two hearts on the flop, I would make the chaser pay if they decided to chase. Other than that, well played.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

More often than not you're looking at your opponent playing poorly with the Ah or overplaying the Jh on the river. Nothing else really makes sense. If he made his flush on the turn, he should be pushing to your c/r to stop either (a) his action getting killed, or (b) getting outdrawn in the event of a heart falling on the river. If he has anything downh from a set, waiting until there is a 4-flush up to make a big move is horrid. We're looking at something like AhK-AhT, JhK-JhT assuming his preflop range for calling a range is reasonable, and his play thereon is reasonable.

The pot is big enough to justify a call on the river, anyway. There's always the small chance he's played a set really badly, or is pulling a random bluff with air.

 

[joosebuck]

spill it dude.

 

[Bombjack]

Before I post results (which aren't really that important) - is there anything I should / could have done differently?

a) Slightly bigger bet on flop as suggested by t1? Maybe. But I'm not too worried about the flush draw, since the chances of my opponents holding 2 hearts (particularly since I have Kh) are small. I don't want to cut off action if anyone holds a Jack. So I think my bet was OK here.

b) Raise more on the turn? What would this achieve? If he has a flush, straight, trips or 2 pair, all of which are possible, he'll call or re-raise, in which case I've lost more than if I raise a smaller amount. In this situation, unless he holds AhXh, he'll probably re-raise since he'll need to protect against the nut flush draw. I also want him to call if he has a Jack, which is, think, his most likely holding. I think this supercedes the need to drive him out if he holds AhX(not-h) - what do you guys think?
Given the size of my actual bet, I've only given him 2.3:1 on his money whereas if he holds Ah, he should think he needs closer to 5:1. Maybe I need to factor in the fact that, holding Kh, I will pay him off on the river if he makes a flush with Ah... so his implied odds are greater, although he doesn't know that. This would favour a larger bet.
My thinking during the hand, however, was that a heart would be good for me and I didn't really consider the possiblity that he might hold Ah. If he holds a smaller heart, e.g. Jh, I get paid off.

c) River bet? I saw this as a value bet given I had the 2nd nut flush. He gets 4:1 on a call, if he has trips, worse flush etc. Given his call on the turn, how strongly should I suspect he has Ah, and would I be better off checking here? Or does the $4.50 value I get if he calls and loses outweigh the chance I'll be raised by Ah?
If I check and he bets $5 with Ah, I'll pay him off anyway. So I think it comes down to whether I think he's 50%+ likely to hold Ah. I don't have an answer to this, although this would make sense given his betting on the turn, but only if he holds AhJx, Ah8x (maybe) or AhXh on the flop.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

At a 20NL table, if someone has a J, you're going to get action. Don't worry about not getting any action unless you're making some crazy overbets. I probably routinely bet a little more on the flop, but it's no big deal, your bet was fine.

Turn and river are fine. There is absolutely no way you should be checking the river here.




Judging by that post, if villain didn't show you AhJ I'd be surprised. Don't sweat it if so, he's most likely not getting away from TPTK whatever you do, and in any case there's no way you can put him on that hand and that hand only anyway. You're miles ahead of his range throughout the hand.

 

[Bombjack]

Yep, as you suspected:

capcavman shows [ ]
Bombjack shows [ ]
Taking Rake of $1.68 from pot 1
capcavman has Flush, Ace high
capcavman wins $32.02 with: Flush, Ace high

 

[Bombjack]

Got him back a few hands later on 2 consecutive hands. Maybe wasn't as solid as I thought....

Table #118900 - Pagan King
Starting Hand #7866348
Last Hand #7866320
Game Type: Hold'em
Limit Type: No Limit
Table Type: Ring
Money Type: Real Money
Blinds are now $0.10/$0.20
Button is at seat 4
Seat 1: AKQJ10fr - $14.86
Seat 2: jturriff - $20.54
Seat 3: RCRDD - $27.01
Seat 4: capcavman - $33.66
Seat 5: Bombjack - $14.88
Seat 6: Guvner - $10.41
Moving Button to seat 5
Moving Button to seat 5
AKQJ10fr posts small blind ($0.10)
jturriff posts big blind ($0.20)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [ ] to Bombjack
RCRDD folds
capcavman raises to $1
Bombjack calls $1
AKQJ10fr folds
jturriff folds
Dealing Flop [ ]
capcavman checks
Bombjack checks
Dealing Turn
capcavman bets $0.80
Bombjack calls $0.80
Dealing River
capcavman bets $0.80
Bombjack calls $0.80
Taking Rake of $0.27 from pot 1
capcavman shows [ ]
capcavman has High Card: Ace
Bombjack shows [ ]
Bombjack has One Pair: 2s
Bombjack wins $5.23 with: One Pair: 2s
Seat 1: AKQJ10fr - $14.76
Seat 2: jturriff - $20.34
Seat 3: RCRDD - $27.01
Seat 4: capcavman - $31.06
Seat 5: Bombjack - $17.51
Seat 6: Guvner - $10.41
End Of Hand #7866348


Table #118900 - Pagan King
Starting Hand #7866397
Last Hand #7866348
Game Type: Hold'em
Limit Type: No Limit
Table Type: Ring
Money Type: Real Money
Blinds are now $0.10/$0.20
Button is at seat 5
Seat 1: AKQJ10fr - $14.76
Seat 2: jturriff - $20.34
Seat 3: RCRDD - $27.01
Seat 4: capcavman - $31.06
Seat 5: Bombjack - $17.51
Seat 6: Guvner - $10.41
Moving Button to seat 1
jturriff posts small blind ($0.10)
RCRDD posts big blind ($0.20)
Guvner posts $0.20
Guvner posts $0.10 dead
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [ ] to Bombjack
capcavman calls $0.20
Bombjack raises to $0.80
Guvner folds
AKQJ10fr folds
jturriff folds
RCRDD calls $0.80
capcavman calls $0.80
Dealing Flop [ ]
RCRDD checks
capcavman checks
Bombjack bets $0.80
RCRDD calls $0.80
capcavman calls $0.80
Dealing Turn
RCRDD checks
capcavman checks
Bombjack bets $4
RCRDD folds
capcavman raises to $20
Bombjack calls $15.91 (all-in)
Returning $4.09 to capcavman uncalled
capcavman shows [ ]
Bombjack shows [ ]
Dealing River []
Taking Rake of $1.85 from pot 1
capcavman has One Pair: 4s
Bombjack has One Pair: Aces
Bombjack wins $35.17 with: One Pair: Aces
:dancing2:

 

[Spongetoe]

Nice to see you get him back. The poker gods are on your side.

 

[joosebuck]

rape that flop and check call the turn (of the aa hand)... you got it backwards son!

 

[Bombjack]

rape that flop and check call the turn (of the aa hand)... you got it backwards son!

Well - gotta mix it up sometimes! Deliberately wanted the flop bet to look like a continuation bet, but then needed to protect against flush draw on the turn. It worked anyway.