Friggin B

[Four Dogs]

SO! I'm sittin' there at Full Tilt at a .10/.25 table, mindin' my own beez wax, and this wicked bitch sittin' to my left just keeps goin' ALL-IN ALL-IN ALL-IN! She's like some kinda one trick pony. So I sayz to my self, I sayz "Self, just hang back and wait for your chance to reel this fish in." Well, seein' as I'm da smahtest guy I know, I decides ta listen to myself. And den I gets my chance. But the friggin B gets soooo lucky.
She was lucky. Er....right? JL, Twizzy, Chris? You guys do agree, don't you?

fulltiltpoker Game #980917560: Table Goldyke (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:44:58 ET - 2006/09/08
Seat 1: juiceeQ ($19.65)
Seat 2: bigpimpb123 ($4.35)
Seat 3: Nick0r ($20)
Seat 4: Qhr1s0 ($29.35)
Seat 6: Four Dogs ($26.05)
bigpimpb123 posts the small blind of $0.10
Nick0r posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1

Holecards:
Dealt to Four Dogs [

]
Qhr1s0 folds
Four Dogs calls $0.25
juiceeQ calls $0.25
bigpimpb123 calls $0.15
Nick0r checks

Flop:
[

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bigpimpb123 checks
Nick0r checks
Four Dogs checks
juiceeQ bets $0.75
bigpimpb123 folds
Nick0r folds
bigpimpb123 is feeling angry
Four Dogs raises to $2
juiceeQ raises to $5
OuttaMyWay sits down
Four Dogs has 15 seconds left to act
Four Dogs raises to $25.80 and is all in
OuttaMyWay adds $10
juiceeQ calls $14.40 and is all in
Four Dogs shows [

]
juiceeQ shows [

]
Uncalled bet of $6 .40 returned to Four Dogs

Turn :
[

] [

]

River:
[

] [

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Four Dogs shows three of a kind Sevens
juiceeQ shows three of a kind Sevens
juiceeQ wins the pot ($37 .85) with three of a kind Sevens
juiceeQ: o/

SUMMARY:
Total pot $39 .80 | Rake $1.95
Board:
[

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Seat 1: juiceeQ (button) showed [

] and won ($37.85) with three of a kind Sevens
Seat 2: bigpimpb123 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Nick0r (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Qhr1s0 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Four Dogs showed [

] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens

 

[Freakakanus]

Do you want to be Banned???? You might be pissing off the Queen Bee!
Tough Luck FD, very tough hand to lose.

 

[shortstacked]

I sayz "Self

thats what happens when you talk to your self

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

NICE LIMP PREFLOP FISH

 

[Tammy]

:laugh: For the record...it was only like the 3rd or 4th hand since I sat at the table...and the only time I went all-in was in this case--with much trepidation. I knew he couldn't have pocket Qs, but the limp worried me that he may have Q7 , but I figured if I folded that--well that'd be about as weak as you get.

Hook, line, and sinker, Dogs...hook, line, and sinker. :girl:

 

[buckster436]

tough hand to lose, the Queen Bee Stings FD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, buck

 

[Four Dogs]

NICE LIMP PREFLOP FISH

Don'tcha think that's a bit results oriented?

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

No, I think limping preflop first in at a 6-max table with K7s is terrible.

Raise or fold sir, raise or fold.

 

[zinzan1000]

Friggin B .......yeah my wife used to do that tooooo.
Then she met me. We soon changed that.

 

[Four Dogs]

No, I think limping preflop first in at a 6-max table with K7s is terrible.

Raise or fold sir, raise or fold.

I know this is the standard advice for NLH, but only raising or folding seems a bit one dimensional. If I think I can get better pot odds with speculative hands by limping, I limp, especially from MP.

 

[zinzan1000]

Yep, sometimes you got to mix it up a little, robotic hold em is for robots.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

...but it isn't 'mixing it up', it's silly. The value of 'mixing it up' comes with sometimes raising hands like K7s, not limping with it. Although this is 25nl and you're playing with donks like that Qhr1s0 fool, so there's a case for just not bothering mixing it up and playing ABC poker, as I hear that guy can't even tie his own shoelaces, never mind pay attention at a poker table.

Do you limp with big hands occasionally too? If not, then it's obvious to anyone who is even remotely paying attention that when you limp you have something marginal. If you do, then you're losing value on your big hands.

...and I haven't even touched on the fact that you have no idea where you stand on the flop by limping stuff like this preflop. Okay, so in the example given it's pretty much just a cold deck, but what do you do if you limp K7s, the flop comes K38, and the BB leads out? Do you raise for information (quite expensive, you could have got nearly as much information at this stage by raising preflop, and much more cheaply)? Do you call (you still have no idea where you stand)? Or do you fold (you're folding the winner far too often)? At least if you raise preflop, you can narrow your opponent's range(s) accordingly. This is why aggression is so important, because passive play early in a hand can lead to situations where it's almost fair to say that none of the options available to you at a later point in the hand are actually 'correct'.

Basically, I'd almost go as far to say that limping anything first in in 6-max is terrible, sole exceptions being stuff like low pairs and high suited connectors at an extremely loose-passive table.

 

[zinzan1000]

Yep, sometimes you got to mix it up a little, robotic hold em is for robots.

:joyman:

 

[Bombjack]

For me, K7 should be mucked pre-flop, even 5-handed, and even if it's sooted. Raising with this hand would be pretty terrible unless you're playing against tight blinds and you're on a steal. If you have to play it, limp and hope for a flop like this one, or that the button folds and you can pick up the blinds when they miss the flop and check to you.

Tricky hand to get away from, but you have to suspect... know... that juicee has a 7 when she re-raises on the flop. So most of the time you're up against A7, 87 or 76. Which is most likely to re-raise?

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

:joyman:

NICE COUNTER ARGUMENT SIR, YOU HAVE COMPLETELY BLOWN MY POST OUT OF THE WATER WITH YOUR EXCEPTIONAL POINT OF ":joyman:"

 

[zinzan1000]

NICE COUNTER ARGUMENT SIR, YOU HAVE COMPLETELY BLOWN MY POST OUT OF THE WATER WITH YOUR EXCEPTIONAL POINT OF ":joyman:"

Try 2 :joyman: :joyman: along with a chill pill.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Yep, sometimes you got to mix it up a little, robotic hold em is for robots.

...but it isn't 'mixing it up', it's silly. The value of 'mixing it up' comes with sometimes raising hands like K7s, not limping with it. Although this is 25nl and you're playing with donks like that Qhr1s0 fool, so there's a case for just not bothering mixing it up and playing ABC poker, as I hear that guy can't even tie his own shoelaces, never mind pay attention at a poker table.

Do you limp with big hands occasionally too? If not, then it's obvious to anyone who is even remotely paying attention that when you limp you have something marginal. If you do, then you're losing value on your big hands.

...and I haven't even touched on the fact that you have no idea where you stand on the flop by limping stuff like this preflop. Okay, so in the example given it's pretty much just a cold deck, but what do you do if you limp K7s, the flop comes K38, and the BB leads out? Do you raise for information (quite expensive, you could have got nearly as much information at this stage by raising preflop, and much more cheaply)? Do you call (you still have no idea where you stand)? Or do you fold (you're folding the winner far too often)? At least if you raise preflop, you can narrow your opponent's range(s) accordingly. This is why aggression is so important, because passive play early in a hand can lead to situations where it's almost fair to say that none of the options available to you at a later point in the hand are actually 'correct'.

Basically, I'd almost go as far to say that limping anything first in in 6-max is terrible, sole exceptions being stuff like low pairs and high suited connectors at an extremely loose-passive table.

:joyman: