$5 NLHE Full Ring: Puzzling HUGE overshove on the flop by villain.

[Shumkoolie]

Okay, every so often, I see these types of plays at micro stakes, and I feel compelled to post this one. I'm puzzled by the villain's play here on the flop. Pre-flop action was pretty standard. He's got position on me so I want to utilize pot control, of course that got thrown to the wind on his first action after I checked.

It's Zoom so I don't have any prior history/reads against villain. My first thought was that it was a tilt shove, that the play made no sense. If villain was playing beyond Level 1, they would make this play expecting me to think that what they were doing made no sense and wants a call, but I didn't give him credit for that.

What are your thoughts? Do you find a fold here?

poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $5.13
BB: $3.09
UTG: $7.98
UTG+1: $4.48
UTG+2: $5.50
MP1: $6.18
MP2: $5.16
CO: $2.97

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Qs Js
7 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) 6s 3h Jd (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.94 all in, Hero calls $2.94

Turn: ($6.18) As (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($6.18) Ac (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $6.18

 

[John A]

It's either them trapping with a big hand (meaning they flatted pre with QQ+) hoping you caught some piece and will call, or middle / bottom pair / air just being stupid. Usually it's the later, but sometimes it's the first. You just don't know with zoom, but for $3 and some equity, I'd call.

 

[youregoodmate]

This for me is actually a fold. I think they show up more frequently with nut type hands than spazzing out with bottom pair hands.

 

[nabmom]

You just don't know with zoom, but for $3 and some equity, I'd call.

John, can you clarify this last sentence? While $3 in the grand scheme of things is not a lot of money, we don't make our determination based on that ever. We have to look at the context of the pot size, right?

How often do I have to be right here to make this a winning play? (Other questions that come to mind: Why is this player shoving into such a dry board? Why did pre-flop raiser check the dry flop?)

Mainly, the guy is spazzing here. If he has the best hand, why make this move? If he has nothing, why shove so much? None of it makes sense. And while I think it's possible he's got nothing, I think it skews (even if just a bit) towards players with something big that are hoping you will spazz and call.

For such a large percentage of my stack, when I don't have the nuts, the second nuts, or even the third nuts (him having a set here is very likely given his call PF), I'm folding here all the time (with no knowledge of this player) and saving my money for a better spot.

 

[weldphaser]

hmm , this i overs a lot i have called and QQ+ . he migh have read article talking bout flatting these some non - zero % of the time, and then otf he just spazzs out worrying bout draws n 2P . i'm reaching here

 

[CactusCat]

I'm putting him on QQ+ as well, hoping to get a call from a hand like the one you have. You see this with people limping AA and shoving on King high boards, or KK limping and open shoving on Queen high boards.

Did you call putting him on J10 or 10 10?

 

[rhombus]

i had a player last night who overbet river loads of times
1st hand i had set of sixes. but easy fold but then he did it another 8 times with crazy stats 87/0/0.8

 

[rhombus]

8 more hands

1st four, only hand i saw was the 3rd hand when he had JT off and other player called with T5 2 pair

 

[rhombus]

4 more hands, i didnt call any of them but ended up losing 3 buyins to him by being coolered when i ran into 3 monsters