$5 NLHE 6-max: Set of Jacks on a very wet board

[Alucard]

Btn just sat in. So no info. His betting was very quick. Should I check raise the turn or is the line I took decent?

888 Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, hands: 2)
SB: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 123.4 BB (VPIP: 20.55, PFR: 20.55, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 74)
Hero (CO): 321.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jh Jd
Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (7.4 BB, 2 players) Kd Ad 8d
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.6 BB, Hero calls 3.6 BB

Turn : (14.6 BB, 2 players) Js
Hero checks, BTN bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River : (32.6 BB, 2 players) 9c
Hero checks, BTN bets 24.4 BB, Hero????

 

[kozong]

i call, it can be flush but sometimes its a failed draw, two pairs, & TPTK too

 

[terryk]

i call, it can be flush but sometimes its a failed draw, two pairs, & TPTK too

+1 tbh,i would of folded after flop.(but,hell of a turn)

 

[Keith_MM]

calling it down looks fine to me , especially with the monotone flop. AA KK would 3bet pre so you are ahead of all likely sets /two pairs but no point bloating the pot when you are behind flopped flushes and now straights

 

[Alucard]

ok so the J on the turn was actually the worst possible card for me.

Called it down. V had Q10 off

 

[terryk]

ok so the J on the turn was actually the worst possible card for me.

Called it down. V had Q10 off

ouch,,,

 

[Keith_MM]

played it fine , this was just the tax on the times that villains take same line with TP , 2pair etc

 

[c9h13no3]

What was your plan when you called the flop, other than spiking a J on the turn?

 

[Alucard]

What was your plan when you called the flop, other than spiking a J on the turn?

Flush draw + people take hits easily in position on a board like in this on a check with draws & low pockets either to build a pot or take down it on the flop.
Was prepared to call down 2 streets considering the sizings

 

[c9h13no3]

Why not lead the flop? Planning on getting paid when you spike a flush/J?

This seems like a spot to lead the flop. It's not WA/WB, our draw doesn't have much implied odds, so we don't mind getting folds. The flop nails our range, so we're rarely raised light. And I doubt we check/call our way to showdown much out of position. Kinda turns out hand face up as KQ or an underpair.

 

[Alucard]

If we face a raise on the flop, wouldn't it be a very tough spot to continue?

 

[KFlint]

You can often cbet a monotone flop with total air as it will be very hard for villain to continue most of the time. Here you have outs to second nuts so more reasons to bet it imo. Barrel if you gain equity, which you did.

As played, call river.

 

[Papier24]

I think you played it well. Betting on the flop just achieves nothing since you will mainly only get called by better hands and worse hands will fold. After a check on the flop many players just bet and try to end the hand because you showed weakness. Check calling with a pair and a flush draw seems reasonable to me.

On the river I think you have to call him
down with a set and the flush blocker. He will have enough top pair, 2pair, missed draws to make this call profitable.

 

[c9h13no3]

If we face a raise on the flop, wouldn't it be a very tough spot to continue?

Um, yeah? Do you have a problem tossing a bad hand?

 

[Alucard]

I meant out of position I could face a lot of semi bluff & pure bluff raises. I have no way clue on the V's hand strength and will be giving free money away
For one I'd never fold to a raise here due to drawing to the second nut flush so will be unnecessarily making the pot big

 

[WVHillbilly]

I meant out of position I could face a lot of semi bluff & pure bluff raises. I have no way clue on the V's hand strength and will be giving free money away
For one I'd never fold to a raise here due to drawing to the second nut flush so will be unnecessarily making the pot big

So how much you expecting to get paid with the 2nd nut flush on a four flush board? If lots of money goes in when your flush hits you're not winning the pot.

I'd probably just lead the flop and fold to a raise. Check-calling 1 street might be okay if you know your opponent's tendencies but that's not the case here.

 

[c9h13no3]

I meant out of position I could face a lot of semi bluff & pure bluff raises. I have no way clue on the V's hand strength and will be giving free money away
For one I'd never fold to a raise here due to drawing to the second nut flush so will be unnecessarily making the pot big

You raise UTG, and bet an AKX monotone flop, no one is raising you with pure air. That flop nails the center of the eye of your range.

And the 2nd nut flush draw on a raised monotone flop is not a good hand. Stop chasing draws that won't pay you back when they hit.

 

[braveslice]

To add (after I read the hand villain had): flop size 0.487x, turn 0.62x, river 0.75x

Limits specific reads are:
1. under half bet OTF is weak usually draw, second pair or weak top pair
2. increased bet size per street is heavily hinting very strong hand among bad players (we know he is bad given non-standard flop bet size)

So how much you expecting to get paid with the 2nd nut flush on a four flush board?

+1 Then again given villain’s bet size OTF I would not be too surprised him betting 5 high FD =)

 

[Sidetracked]

As played, I think call river.

Flop I would either lead, or check/fold