$400 NL HE Full Ring:

[Alucard]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$2/$4

Table Format

Full (8-10 seats)

Currency

$

This hand ended me shocked and leaving the game
Was playing really well till then up around 260BB, some of the players in the table playing very deep including me

We have TT on SB, utg straddle, he is a very punty chinese player > the kind to resteal 3b a lot if many people call. Almost everyone on the table calls the straddle.

Question 1 - In this spot playing this deep & a table full of stations and punters whats our decision with TT?

I ended up calling because I wanted to trap UTG & jam into his raise (he around 100-150bb eff)
But surprisingly BB throws a raise of 9bb & everyone calls again.
At this point there's 65-70bb of dead money on the table, Im thinking this is a very good spot to just rip it in to scoop the pot, only player that mustve have a strong hand is bb & he has around 130bb

Question 2 - As played what would you do here?

I ended up ripping it in for around 380BB, BB folds UTG folds, UTG+1 folds But UTG+2 calls & he covers up for 400BB
He had QQ

I was very shocked with how he played the hand. first he calls the straddle that will get the entire table to call because everyone's a station & then he just flat calls again BBs small raise
that hand was too much for me & I just left the table. Ruining a very good session with a loss of 120bb > my initial buy in

On an added note > I think Im probably the best player at these games. And this was a very big surprise for me
Please give me your thoughts & how to adjust to deepstack play like this

 

[fundiver199]

I would not limp behind with TT but put in a big raise. With so much dead money you can consider it a 3-bet and go to at least 10BB to thin the field. As played I would just call, when BB isolate, and look to play it mostly as a setmine. I dont think, TT is strong enough to go for a limp-reraise this deep and this multiway. But with that being said I am also surprices to see QQ play that passively. So to some extend its also just one of those "WTF just happened here" spots.

 

[Aballinamion]

This hand ended me shocked and leaving the game
Was playing really well till then up around 260BB, some of the players in the table playing very deep including me

We have TT on SB, utg straddle, he is a very punty chinese player > the kind to resteal 3b a lot if many people call. Almost everyone on the table calls the straddle.

Question 1 - In this spot playing this deep & a table full of stations and punters whats our decision with TT?

I ended up calling because I wanted to trap UTG & jam into his raise (he around 100-150bb eff)
But surprisingly BB throws a raise of 9bb & everyone calls again.
At this point there's 65-70bb of dead money on the table, Im thinking this is a very good spot to just rip it in to scoop the pot, only player that mustve have a strong hand is bb & he has around 130bb

Question 2 - As played what would you do here?

I ended up ripping it in for around 380BB, BB folds UTG folds, UTG+1 folds But UTG+2 calls & he covers up for 400BB
He had QQ

I was very shocked with how he played the hand. first he calls the straddle that will get the entire table to call because everyone's a station & then he just flat calls again BBs small raise
that hand was too much for me & I just left the table. Ruining a very good session with a loss of 120bb > my initial buy in

On an added note > I think Im probably the best player at these games. And this was a very big surprise for me
Please give me your thoughts & how to adjust to deepstack play like this

Considering the style or these players and how they were acting, our move was a pretty good choice. Unfortunately we got trapped but we made the best decision in the end, hitting the table and giving up the session to avoid tilt and further losses.

 

[AKQ]

With that much punting and chaos going on
We are told to sit back and wait for the guy with tens to punt into our QQ KK AA

 

[puzzlefish]

Question 1 - the play is to set mine if given the opportunity, as tens are a weak hand when so many players are getting involved

I ended up calling because I wanted to trap UTG & jam into his raise

This is the right move but not for the right reason. You are focusing on only one player when many are getting involved, who likely also knowing what you know.

But surprisingly BB throws a raise of 9bb & everyone calls again.

This is generally a bad sign and it's highly likely that there are some good hands on the table.

Question 2 - proceed as planned with set mining or make an exploitative fold

By ripping it in, you will sometimes win the pot but how often would you find yourself dominated or flipping? It's one for the solvers but it feels like long run -EV

 

[fundiver199]

It's one for the solvers but it feels like long run -EV

A 6-way limped pot is so far from GTO already, that its pointless to try to solve it. But we can rely on fundamentals instead and look at, how much we are typically willing to put in with TT preflop. And typically 130-260BB is far to much.

 

[Alucard]

Question 1 - the play is to set mine if given the opportunity, as tens are a weak hand when so many players are getting involved



This is the right move but not for the right reason. You are focusing on only one player when many are getting involved, who likely also knowing what you know.


This is generally a bad sign and it's highly likely that there are some good hands on the table.

Question 2 - proceed as planned with set mining or make an exploitative fold

By ripping it in, you will sometimes win the pot but how often would you find yourself dominated or flipping? It's one for the solvers but it feels like long run -EV

disagree on both
set mining with Ts here seems bad compared to isoing & the bb throws out weird raises
it ended up being just fps by me but I was happy to gii vs BB there

 

[Alucard]

A 6-way limped pot is so far from GTO already, that its pointless to try to solve it. But we can rely on fundamentals instead and look at, how much we are typically willing to put in with TT preflop. And typically 130-260BB is far to much.

after all ludacris plays Ive seen live, TTs are way ahead vs many ranges imo
Im happy to gii 100BBs

Depends on the player & table dynamics ofc

 

[kdmeteor]

I personally hate the jam here. You're forcing your opponent to play reasonable, and if your casino is like mine, people limp strong hands all the time, so you're probably not getting the right odds. Imo raising big against lots of limpers, if you don't want to get called, is just not a good play.

Just call and set-mine. You have to pay 7BB to call the raise; if you hit the set, you're going to win a lot more than 70BB in expectation.

 

[kdmeteor]

after all ludacris plays Ive seen live, TTs are way ahead vs many ranges imo

Being ahead against someone's range isn't a reason to jam. You can be ahead against their range before you jam but behind against their range after they call.