$25 NL HE Full Ring: failing to get paid

[kdmeteor]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$.10/$.25

Table Format

Full (8-10 seats)

Currency

$

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 ($0.10 ante) - 7 players
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510a3797 (UTG): $64.46 (258 bb)
94a905d (MP): $54.29 (217 bb)
c17bbb9a (MP+1): $43.82 (175 bb)
Hero (CO): $56.77 (227 bb)
73cc7d8a (BU): $49.30 (197 bb)
ce0cab77 (SB): $48.40 (194 bb)
c8c7699c (BB): $84.77 (339 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.05) Hero (Hero) is CO with A♠ 8♠
3 players fold, Hero (CO) raises to $1, 2 players fold, c8c7699c (BB) calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.80) T♦ 9♠ 7♠ (2 players)
c8c7699c (BB) checks, Hero (CO) bets $1.40, c8c7699c (BB) calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.60) K♠ (2 players)
c8c7699c (BB) checks, Hero (CO) checks

River: ($5.60) 6♥ (2 players)
c8c7699c (BB) bets $4.76, Hero (CO) raises to $15, c8c7699c (BB) calls $10.24

Total pot: $35.60 (Rake: $2.32)

Showdown:
Hero (CO) shows A♠ 8♠ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 65%, Flop: 83%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

c8c7699c (BB) shows Q♠ 3♠ (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 35%, Flop: 17%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

Hero (CO) wins $33.28

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So this one really stung -- if I don't stack my opponent with first nuts against second nuts, I probably did something wrong.

Preflop is my standard raise in this format. Flop I thought a 50% bet would keep him in with a lot of hands, but it wasn't well thought-out (was multi-tabling). Turn is probably the big one; I figured that because I have the super nuts and am very unlikely to get outdrawn, and also I don't know if my opponent has much of anything (they could have called AJ or A8 without a spade), I just wanna give them another card to hope they flop something. Preferably the straight! Then on the River, I was trying to choose a raise size to target the straight. Unfortunately, Villain did not re-raise.

 

[kdmeteor]

PokerTracker tells me that Villain had an aggression factor of .38 which makes the way I played look worse, but GGPoker does not permit HUDs during the game so I didn't know that, and VPIP/PFR of 19/14 (which is shown in GGPoker's native overlay) doesn't give it away.

 

[300HPGOD]

I dont think there is anything wrong here. You say you should have stacked your opponent but we are 227 BBs deep to start the hand. How many hands should be getting in over 200 BBs? For 2nd nuts to be willing to put all in here then they would have to think 3rd nuts would call an all in this deep. Would you call off your stack 200 BBs deep with a J high flush? I would think not so villain should be somewhat careful this deep with the thinking the only hand you are willing to get that much in with is an ace high flush. Villian shouldnt be raising this river given they were already raised on this street. The call should have even been thought about given the likelihood you have the nuts but of course there are a lot of factors in that. Either way, for the villain I cant see a spot where re raising for them would be correct here.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Given the large ante I like a larger open for this game. It also means, that compared to normal online cash games, this will play more like a 100BB 50NL game rather than a 200BB 25NL game.

Flop
You flopped the world here with a 15 out combodraw, and 8 of your outs are to the nuts. I dont think, half pot is terrible, but I would have gone for a large C-bet here. You are not "rangebetting" a flop this wet, so its "allowed" to have some larger sizing.

Turn
It looks very strong, if you bet again on this card, but even so I dont like this slowplay. You might occationally induce a bluff on the river, but you also limit yourself to winning at most two more bets, and most of the time only one. There are also parts of his range, that will pay a bet now, but wont pay on a 4-flush river. Or he could have a hand like Qs9x, that will pay now to draw to a no good flush, but it wont pay on a brick river. Or the board might pair, in which case you probably no longer wants to stack off, so you might have to just call a river bet. For all those reasons I would bet for value with the nuts, and if he folds, he folds.

River
You do get a bet out of him, and a large one, which is of course pretty sweet, when you have the nuts. Obviously you have to raise, so the only question is sizing. And I think, you could have gone a bit larger here. Basically all the draws got there, and with 3 cards to a flush + 4 to a straight, he should have a straight or flush here most of the time, when he bet almost full pot. And those hands are probably going to call $20-25 just as often as $15. I would not jam though, because then I think, you will start to see a lot of folds from 8X and maybe even QJ and small flushes.

 

[Station_Master]

I know it sound obvious but to get stacks in you need to bet bigger. With a huge combo draw with nut potential I think a 2/3rds cbet would be better, then crucially you need to bet turn. Sure sometimes you need to trap but this deep its better to bet. On the river the raise is ok, it's about 2/3rds pot but agin you could go a little bigger.

 

[kdmeteor]

Thanks everyone; I think sizing is the biggest thing I need to work on. I'm used to thinking about how to size vs. casino players which is ultra exploitative and doesn't carry over much into multi-tabling online against reasonably competent opponents.

If I had bet .75 on the Flop, it gets 25% larger; if the rest plays out with same propotion to pot, then the 15$ bet becomes an 18.75$ bet; that's 15 BB difference (not even counting that the pot itself is bigger and that I maybe could have raised larger on the River). So that's actually a pretty big error.

Point on not slowplaying the Turn is taken as well.

 

[Aballinamion]

GGPoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 ($0.10 ante) - 7 players
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510a3797 (UTG): $64.46 (258 bb)
94a905d (MP): $54.29 (217 bb)
c17bbb9a (MP+1): $43.82 (175 bb)
Hero (CO): $56.77 (227 bb)
73cc7d8a (BU): $49.30 (197 bb)
ce0cab77 (SB): $48.40 (194 bb)
c8c7699c (BB): $84.77 (339 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.05) Hero (Hero) is CO with A♠ 8♠
3 players fold, Hero (CO) raises to $1, 2 players fold, c8c7699c (BB) calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.80) T♦ 9♠ 7♠ (2 players)
c8c7699c (BB) checks, Hero (CO) bets $1.40, c8c7699c (BB) calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.60) K♠ (2 players)
c8c7699c (BB) checks, Hero (CO) checks

River: ($5.60) 6♥ (2 players)
c8c7699c (BB) bets $4.76, Hero (CO) raises to $15, c8c7699c (BB) calls $10.24

Total pot: $35.60 (Rake: $2.32)

Showdown:
Hero (CO) shows A♠ 8♠ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 65%, Flop: 83%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

c8c7699c (BB) shows Q♠ 3♠ (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 35%, Flop: 17%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

Hero (CO) wins $33.28

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So this one really stung -- if I don't stack my opponent with first nuts against second nuts, I probably did something wrong.

Preflop is my standard raise in this format. Flop I thought a 50% bet would keep him in with a lot of hands, but it wasn't well thought-out (was multi-tabling). Turn is probably the big one; I figured that because I have the super nuts and am very unlikely to get outdrawn, and also I don't know if my opponent has much of anything (they could have called AJ or A8 without a spade), I just wanna give them another card to hope they flop something. Preferably the straight! Then on the River, I was trying to choose a raise size to target the straight. Unfortunately, Villain did not re-raise.

Overall the hand was well played until the river. As others have said, you could've done a larger bet on the river or even jam your whole stack because even if villain folds, there's enough dead money to collect.
Keep playing and let the chips fall where they may. 😊

 

[AdamasDate]

Overall this is ok as played only thing I would say is on the turn I would be betting there are tons of hands you can be getting value from so maybe u miss a turn of value but its ok not to much a problem