$20 NL HE Full Ring: Thin value on river?

[Station_Master]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$.10/$.20

Table Format

Full (8-10 seats)

VP$IP

52

PFR

8

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888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.20 - 8 players
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UTG: $15.31 (77 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): $29.88 (149 bb)
MP: $20.64 (103 bb)
MP+1: $22.21 (111 bb)
CO: $25.52 (128 bb)
BU: $3.87 (19 bb)
SB: $19.32 (97 bb)
BB: $20.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.30) Hero is UTG+1 with A♠ K♠
UTG raises to $0.60, Hero 3-bets to $1.80, 6 players fold, UTG calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.90) 2♥ 9♣ 3♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.28, UTG calls $1.28

Turn: ($6.46) K♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.13, UTG calls $2.13

River: ($10.72) 4♥ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Not sure about this one. Villain was a fish and had been limping and 2x open, so 3x I thought strong. AKs obviously still a 3bet.
Flop seemed standard and I like to continue on K turns often. I think having not got raised on the turn or donked the river I probably have the best hand, so I should probably value bet but was a bit nervous to reopen. What do you think - check back (as I did) or bet and if so what size?

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Obviously the 3-bet is sort of standard, but being in such early position we can also sometimes just call with AK. It gives us a stronger calling range and a very strong hand to call down with on A or K high boards, which people often wont expect us to have.

Flop
C-bet seems fine.

Turn
You made top pair, but clubs also came in, and you dont hold the ace of clubs. Personally I think, I check back here for some pot control, because I really dont want to get raised and face a very tough decision. And then I call or bet for value on any non-club river card. Basically trying to underrepresent my hand and make it look like TT-KK slowing down or a bluff giving up.

River
I agree, that if he had you beat, you would probably have heard from him by now, especially after betting small on the turn. So as played I do think, I would go for thin value on the river. You dont need to make it huge, but you can bet something similar to, what you bet on the flop and turn and get a crying call from his A9 or whatever.

 

[gustav197poker]

The hands that could call on the turn are not many. Perhaps this V could have any Ax with the Ac, while any hand like QQ+ warrants a 4-bet unless V never shows aggression preflop. If V is passive you can bet OTR, although I would prefer to do it when we made x/x on the turn.

 

[Aballinamion]

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.20 - 8 players
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UTG: $15.31 (77 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): $29.88 (149 bb)
MP: $20.64 (103 bb)
MP+1: $22.21 (111 bb)
CO: $25.52 (128 bb)
BU: $3.87 (19 bb)
SB: $19.32 (97 bb)
BB: $20.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.30) Hero is UTG+1 with A♠ K♠
UTG raises to $0.60, Hero 3-bets to $1.80, 6 players fold, UTG calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.90) 2♥ 9♣ 3♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.28, UTG calls $1.28

Turn: ($6.46) K♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.13, UTG calls $2.13

River: ($10.72) 4♥ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Not sure about this one. Villain was a fish and had been limping and 2x open, so 3x I thought strong. AKs obviously still a 3bet.
Flop seemed standard and I like to continue on K turns often. I think having not got raised on the turn or donked the river I probably have the best hand, so I should probably value bet but was a bit nervous to reopen. What do you think - check back (as I did) or bet and if so what size?

I don't think we should try to thin value on the river. Our line is fine, we realize our equity. Once we thin value on the river and villain raises us we are dead and we must fold. This is not a good board texture to be trying to extract thin of our opponent.

 

[AdamasDate]

This is fine As played anything else and we face hard choice on the river if we get raised

 

[SrMartis]

I think you line is fine.

But I'll try to thin value this river.

I'll check back most of the time If this guy was a reg capable of making some trap.

However against a fish guy I'll try to thin value in this river, If this guy reraises you, you're probably beaten.

Do you think this guy can turn his weak top/Middle pair into a bluff?

If Yes, I'll check back, If not, thin value for sure.

 

[beazer76]

Do I have the required equity to bet on the river? Or is it higher EV to check than bet on river? I'm not sure. . Villain was fairly passive suggesting his range might be capped. The turn makes it a three flush board making it a bit dangerous so I feel like I don't want to go for thin value on the river street.

 

[Manf1]

if you bet in turn and he not raised, i think you can bet a half on river

 

[AdamasDate]

Ak Is a draw hand on this board u miss the flop so your just betting range with no equity if there was a spade u have some back doors so check I believe does better here

Turns a k a standard bet when he checks

River is another bet if he had a better hand would have let u know by now so chances are u have the best hand or its a chop

 

[eetenor]

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.20 - 8 players
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UTG: $15.31 (77 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): $29.88 (149 bb)
MP: $20.64 (103 bb)
MP+1: $22.21 (111 bb)
CO: $25.52 (128 bb)
BU: $3.87 (19 bb)
SB: $19.32 (97 bb)
BB: $20.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.30) Hero is UTG+1 with A♠ K♠
UTG raises to $0.60, Hero 3-bets to $1.80, 6 players fold, UTG calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.90) 2♥ 9♣ 3♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.28, UTG calls $1.28

Turn: ($6.46) K♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.13, UTG calls $2.13

River: ($10.72) 4♥ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Not sure about this one. Villain was a fish and had been limping and 2x open, so 3x I thought strong. AKs obviously still a 3bet.
Flop seemed standard and I like to continue on K turns often. I think having not got raised on the turn or donked the river I probably have the best hand, so I should probably value bet but was a bit nervous to reopen. What do you think - check back (as I did) or bet and if so what size?

The fear of the reopen is always based on frequency of bluffs. If the river bluff frequency is low we can 100% thin bet- fold rivers. Once we know it is an easy bet- fold we can then max value all our rivers with 100% confidence even if the V has 10% bluffs instead of the 20- 30% they should have -we can still fold to such a low frequency even though they have bluffs-- this is of course referring to check raise bluffs only