$2 NL HE Full Ring: I would like to know another line of reasoning for this hand. For another outcome.

[Amblo]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$.01/$.02

Table Format

Full (8-10 seats)

AF

0

Currency

$

It's in Portuguese, but the hand went like this:
SB limps, I raise 3.5x, he calls.
Flop:
He checks, I raise about 30% of the pot, he reraises, about 4x I call.
Turn he leads, I slow play.
River doubles the jack, and I had an easy fold.
Does anyone have anything to add to this hand that could have improved it?

 

[Amblo]

Oops, I made the wrong post, sorry. I don't know if it's possible to move it, or if I can create another one in the right place and delete this one.

I thought it was strange, there was only staking and no buying...

 

[fundiver199]

Does anyone have anything to add to this hand that could have improved it?

Dont get counterfeited on the river. Better luck next time.

 

[Station_Master]

He bets less than 20% pot on the river and you have a bluff catcher. You still beat QQ, KK, AA (unlikely given preflop but who knows at micros) and bluffs. I think I might sigh call.

 

[fundiver199]

He bets less than 20% pot on the river and you have a bluff catcher. You still beat QQ, KK, AA (unlikely given preflop but who knows at micros) and bluffs. I think I might sigh call.

I did not pay attention to the bet sizing, and its pretty weird. The opponent limp-called preflop, check-raised flop, bet turn and set it up, so he had an easy river jam of 12.2k into a pot of 21.6k. But instead he bet just 4k. It could be a "please give me action" type of bet, but if he had top boat, would he not most commonly go for it? And if he flopped second pair, would he really check-raise the flop?

Postflop is actually more consistent with QQ+ than a better boat. On the flop he "spring the trap" after slowplaying preflop. On the turn he is still confident in his hand, because he still beat top pair. However when the river turn top pair into a boat, he dont know, what to do, so he make a small block bet. Its 4k to win a pot of almost 30k, which mean, we need to be good 1 in 7 times. I think, we are good more often than this, so I agree, its a sigh call as played.

 

[kdmeteor]

Yeah you can slide into a narrative in poker where you implicitly assume that your opponent has a similar view of the hand as you did. Your story is, I had a monster hand, opponent was very aggressive so probably had a strong hand as well, then they got lucky at the River and drew out on me. But your opponent's story might have been something completely different. Maybe they thought you were bluffing for some reason and thought their Aces at the River were still good. Maybe they're just the type of person who can't adjust to the situation and never realizes that Aces could possibly not be good. Or maybe they have and played it for the backdoor clubs, and then bluffed at the end. The lower the buy-in, the more likely your opponents just did something completely weird. So I think this River is a mandatory call.

 

[Amblo]

He bets less than 20% pot on the river and you have a bluff catcher. You still beat QQ, KK, AA (unlikely given preflop but who knows at micros) and bluffs. I think I might sigh call.

Would he fold the J on the turn with a Jam? Maybe the rule of "better to win a little than to lose a lot" would be more worthwhile. He would end the hand on the turn and take the pot.

 

[Amblo]

Yeah you can slide into a narrative in poker where you implicitly assume that your opponent has a similar view of the hand as you did. Your story is, I had a monster hand, opponent was very aggressive so probably had a strong hand as well, then they got lucky at the River and drew out on me. But your opponent's story might have been something completely different. Maybe they thought you were bluffing for some reason and thought their Aces at the River were still good. Maybe they're just the type of person who can't adjust to the situation and never realizes that Aces could possibly not be good. Or maybe they have and played it for the backdoor clubs, and then bluffed at the end. The lower the buy-in, the more likely your opponents just did something completely weird. So I think this River is a mandatory call.

Yes, that's why I was in doubt about this hand. It was the beginning of the tournament and I still had a stack of about 40 bb left. But I had the same feeling as you.
It's an interesting hand. It's been a while since I've been so divided between a call or a fold. The stack was good enough to keep playing with the fold, so since I didn't have much information about the villain, I opted for this.

 

[Amblo]

He bets less than 20% pot on the river and you have a bluff catcher. You still beat QQ, KK, AA (unlikely given preflop but who knows at micros) and bluffs. I think I might sigh call.

That was it.

 

[Amblo]

Thanks for the reasoning.

 

[WellAA]

Would he fold the J on the turn with a Jam? Maybe the rule of "better to win a little than to lose a lot" would be more worthwhile. He would end the hand on the turn and take the pot.

Hi there! Or maybe You just make a good fold, whom knows? BTW how went the tourney, did You get to ITM?

 

[pep12343]

It is a very difficult hand to play against an opponent who, without prior analysis, seems to be inconsistent with their bets. Perhaps in my case it would improve the bet on the turn-an all-in after its 4500 chips. In these cases you get paid 6X AA KK QQ JX you beat everyone with your full. then if the table plays against you with J making you win all 6X JX bad luck. but you managed to get the rival to go all in with a hand that most of the time was a winner (in most cases above 80% probability)

 

[Amblo]

It is a very difficult hand to play against an opponent who, without prior analysis, seems to be inconsistent with their bets. Perhaps in my case it would improve the bet on the turn-an all-in after its 4500 chips. In these cases you get paid 6X AA KK QQ JX you beat everyone with your full. then if the table plays against you with J making you win all 6X JX bad luck. but you managed to get the rival to go all in with a hand that most of the time was a winner (in most cases above 80% probability)

I would usually do this however it was a strong hand, I rarely slow play.

 

[Station_Master]

Would he fold the J on the turn with a Jam? Maybe the rule of "better to win a little than to lose a lot" would be more worthwhile. He would end the hand on the turn and take the pot.

There are very few bad rivers so when you are in position far better to just call turn and let him bet river

 

[Amblo]

The frequency of this edge texture is also very low.
I would like to know exactly

 

[fundiver199]

Would he fold the J on the turn with a Jam? Maybe the rule of "better to win a little than to lose a lot" would be more worthwhile. He would end the hand on the turn and take the pot.

If he is check-raising a J on the flop, then he is not folding it on the turn. But the goal in poker is not to make people fold hands, that have less than 10% equity to avoid a bad beat. So if he was actually going to fold a J, then jamming the turn would be a terrible play. And I agree with Station_Master, that its better to make it a 3-street hand, when you are in position. It allow him to bluff the river, perhaps make a flush (which is no good), and if he check to you, you can still jam, and if he has a J, he is most likely going to hero call you. So there is nothing wrong with the way, you played this hand, other than folding to his tiny river bet. You dont always have to raise preflop though. Taking a free flop would also be fine, and it tends to reduce variance.

 

[eetenor]

There are very few bad rivers so when you are in position far better to just call turn and let him bet river

There are river cards that our V does not continue on not just makes better hands but also does not put more money in the pot
The reason to be aggressive with bottom set it unblocks all the higher cards so we slow play it much less often