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Given this scenario, would you have played the hand differently? Should I have folded on the flop, not bet the turn, or just called instead?
 
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The big blind defends against your bet. He doesn't raise it, which may tell us that there are no pocket pairs in his range. The top pair is caught on the flop. You're making a value bet. The check-raise of the opponent tells us either about a strong hand, or he is planning something. Folding top pairs with the best kicker is terrible on the 6-max table. There is still hope for a flush in your heart. 9 outs thanks to the turn card. The villain's bet is 75% of the pot, he can block outs. If you are calling, then he will most likely go all in on the river. It would make it even harder for you to fold two pairs and mentally return to the flop action to make a decision. By folding on the turn, you have saved yourself the agony and doubt on the river.
 
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I dont think you should fold turn as you have decent implied odds with your nut flush draw and are close to getting the direct odds to draw
 
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Overall I fold because there are more value combos than bluffs in his range playing like this, but the analysis applies to the villain if he were an aggressive look that bluffs compulsively I would call.
 
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Yes, your draw is dead against three combos: 78dd, 8Qdd, and QKdd. Plus, your V could have any two cards that already completed a flush, which means fewer outs for you. Without reads, I think folding is nitty, but it makes some sense.
 
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Preflop

I dont like the min-raise. I mostly open raise to 2,5 bb. But standard open with AJ

Flop

On the flop I like to bet an amount where my opponent raise off there strong hands and call with his weak hands and thats why I like to bet around 50% or check in single raised pots. With AJ I would definitly bet 50%

Now he raised and he put you in trouble. With the 50% betsizing I would definitly calling because he could check-raise with a lot of Jx combo's but now you bets bigger and actually said. Sorry sure, I have a very strong hand and your opponent says: glad to know, because I have a monster.

So as played. I probably fold on the flop.. But the mostly Lively hand he can have is. the dame hand as you. AJ. You sometimes beats KJ but your most likely beat by 44 or JT
 
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I dont think you should fold turn as you have decent implied odds with your nut flush draw and are close to getting the direct odds to draw
Don't forget about the blocking cards. The opponent may have diamond cards in the hand range. If the villain has :kd4::qd4:, you pay him the entire stack.
 
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Don't forget about the blocking cards. The opponent may have diamond cards in the hand range. If the villain has :kd4::qd4:, you pay him the entire stack.
Its a good point, although surely villain's range is not only flushes. The presence of potential straight flushes is more concerning and maybe a nitty exploitative fold is ok at 2NL
 
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Preflop
I am not a fan of min-raising in a cash game with deep stacks. The GTO sizing is likely 2,5BB, and if anything we want to size up in the micros, because people call far to much, and they dont 3-bet enough. 3BB was standard in online poker for years, and I dont see any reason to not still use that size in a 2NL game.

Flop
Standard C-bet, and now the hand get interesting, because he check-raise. I dont think, there is any decision here other than call. Folding would be insanely nitty, but we also dont want to play for stacks this deep with just a one pair hand, so there is no point in 3-betting and reopening the betting for him.

Turn
Its not that likely, he has a flush, since you hold Ad in your hand, but KQ also got there, and he can have all 16 combos of that. Other draws on the flop were Q9 and 98, which you still beat. But for those hands the turn card was really bad, since you might now have a flush or straight, so those hands should probably just check and try to get to showdown.

Which mean, that when he does fire again, its really difficult to find logical bluffs in his range. I guess, he could be firing with QJ with Q of diamonds or KJ with K of diamonds, because he picked up draws and dont really know, how to play a combination of top pair and a draw. But apart from that I dont think, you ever have the best hand here.

I also dont think, you have great implied odds on the river, because on a 4-flush board a lot of hands are just going to give up. If for instance he has a straight, he is not going to put in a lot of money on the river, unless he specifically has the K or Q of diamonds. There are also some reverse implied odds, which the rabbit hunt illustrate. On an ace you improve to top two pair and might feel, your hand is now to strong to fold. But you still lose to a flush, straight or flopped set.

As others have said, there are also 3 combos of straight flushes, that have you drawing completely dead. So I dont think, this is an insane fold, but personally I would still call and see, what happen on the river. Sometimes he might slow down and check, and sometimes you will improve to the best hand. Folding here is a little nitty, but its not like, its the worst fold ever, when we look at the entire situation.
 
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