$10 NL HE 6-max: Rivered Quads on Super Wet Board

[blueskies]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$.05/$.10

Table Format

6-max (6 seats)

Currency

$

This is at BOL and it doesn't have text hand history that is compatible with this forum, sorry. (At least I dunno how to get it to work.)

Anyway, hand in question:

I have 4s4c on BTN. CO opens to 30c. I call. Blinds both fold.

This is just my third hand at the table but villain is a reg and I have hand several hundreds hands against him. Villain strikes me as a pretty TAG player capable of laydowns.

Flop is 4hKhQh.

He cbets to 68c. I pop it to $2.21 as he likely has plenty of this board. He tanks for a long time and calls. I think QQ and KK reraises here for sure. So I am putting him on AK/AQ/KQ type of hand.

Turn's the Ah. He checks. I check.

River is 4d!

He leads out with a $1.25 bet into $5.37 pot (not rake adjusted). I interpret it as a blocker bet. In the past when he's had a real strong hand he's not shy to overbet and he does go for thin value. So I completely rule out a FH here. I put him on two pairs AK/AQ/KQ and MAYBE KJ or KT with a heart, which would be the nut flush or second nut flush.

I have about $7.50 behind and I don't have a lot of time to decide on a raise size. Really wanted to shove here but I I ended up raising to $4 and he called.

Against a guy like that do you think he would call a shove with a flush? The thing is if he's willing to call a 3x raise he probably would call a 5x raise on that board.

I always struggle with optimal bet sizing.

Spoiler

KsJh. I still don't know if he would have called a shove.

 

[Station_Master]

I would shove. Pot is 7.87 if you call the bet and you have 6.25 behind. So it's a big bet but still less than pot. You are basically representing a strong flushes, boats or better but it's not that many combos as you cant have AA KK or QQ so unless you are cold calling K4s or raising flop with A4s as a bluff, you are really just representing 44 or a J high flush, so I would expect villain to look you up with broadly the same calling range regardless of your raise size

 

[Station_Master]

Btw 2 pair is too thin even for a block bet on a 4 to flush board so he probably has a flush. (imo) unless he's bluffing

 

[Aballinamion]

This is at BOL and it doesn't have text hand history that is compatible with this forum, sorry. (At least I dunno how to get it to work.)

Anyway, hand in question:

I have 4s4c on BTN. CO opens to 30c. I call. Blinds both fold.

This is just my third hand at the table but villain is a reg and I have hand several hundreds hands against him. Villain strikes me as a pretty TAG player capable of laydowns.

Flop is 4hKhQh.

He cbets to 68c. I pop it to $2.21 as he likely has plenty of this board. He tanks for a long time and calls. I think QQ and KK reraises here for sure. So I am putting him on AK/AQ/KQ type of hand.

Turn's the Ah. He checks. I check.

River is 4d!

He leads out with a $1.25 bet into $5.37 pot (not rake adjusted). I interpret it as a blocker bet. In the past when he's had a real strong hand he's not shy to overbet and he does go for thin value. So I completely rule out a FH here. I put him on two pairs AK/AQ/KQ and MAYBE KJ or KT with a heart, which would be the nut flush or second nut flush.

I have about $7.50 behind and I don't have a lot of time to decide on a raise size. Really wanted to shove here but I I ended up raising to $4 and he called.

Against a guy like that do you think he would call a shove with a flush? The thing is if he's willing to call a 3x raise he probably would call a 5x raise on that board.

I always struggle with optimal bet sizing.

Spoiler

KsJh. I still don't know if he would have called a shove.

Preflop calling was okay. On the flop we shouldn’t be raising unless, of course, we also raise it having our flushes, nutted or not, and raising with our two pair, KQ, K4s, Q4s. Are we raising flop expecting to get calls from what losing hands and draws?
The point of raising a monotone board is that if villain already has the flush we are almost drawing dead. And if villain is awaiting for another card to complete its flush, we are making the pot grow for it and committing ourselves.
Besides, what kinda of bluffs do we have, in this same texture that would be raising the flop? Let’s not forget villain still holds more combos of KK and QQ than us, as you stated it is a decent TAG, so my analysis will rest upon this consideration.

Point: why do you think QQ and KK are raising for sure? If villain has top and second set it is proven that it doesn’t own any combos of hearts, so why so doing?
I see this mistake quite often, players turning strong values hand into bluffs, or betting or raising for value in spots they don’t have much or any bluffs, as we did it OTF.
River completes another hearts and now I continue to ask for both hero and villain what is the point of raising flop having no hearts??? What if villain shoves right now? Are we folding? Are we praying? Are we calling knowing that 99% of times villain has a flush as we are barely fighting for a couple of outs?
Luck to us villain checks and we don’t see any point of betting OTT for in this scenario all of best hands will call or jam over us and the losing hands will fold.
River is fantastic for most likely give us the nuts. We should raise here a sizing that we thing villain will call. We could’ve raised or jammed but villain would’ve called? Yeah, there are one combo of a straight flush but we shouldn’t worry about it, if villain has us, good for it! We are never folding a quads here.
Would you have done it using the same sizing with a bluff on this river?