$10 NL HE 6-max:

[Suns of Beaches]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Stakes

$.05/$.10

Table Format

6-max (6 seats)

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$

I got JJ in middle Pos. Utg raise 3x and I 3-bet to 12bb. After and before me everyone folded. Now utg 4-bets to 36bb.

Line?

 

[EarnDAStack]

I would 3-Bet smaller, 3x so to 9bb and fold to an oversized 4-Bet.

As played I think we still have a simple fold facing such a large 4-Bet. I don't think he's doing this with TT-QQ or AKo or AQo (At 10NL it's pretty much always aces)

A 3x 3-Bet sizing in position is fine, you could maybe bump it up to 10bb in a case like this, but we need to also remember UTG will have a tight opening range that should be tighter because of the larger than standard opening size.

In general try not to put a large amount of thought into uncommon spots, it's better to spend your time learning standard 3 betting and defending vs bet ranges and you can then alter your play from there.

I would probably call QQ-AA and Jam AKs but it's a weird spot with weird sizings so who knows

 

[Station_Master]

Stack sizes?
Villain reads?

Assuming 100bb+ and an unknown/tight 10NL reg, I would just fold. It's almost always value when they go for this dumb 4bet size and the configuration is very tight.

P.S. as said above, your 3bet size is way too big

 

[emsea9o5]

Good game. Easy to make money with.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

I would 3-Bet smaller, 3x so to 9bb and fold to an oversized 4-Bet.

As played I think we still have a simple fold facing such a large 4-Bet. I don't think he's doing this with TT-QQ or AKo or AQo (At 10NL it's pretty much always aces)

A 3x 3-Bet sizing in position is fine, you could maybe bump it up to 10bb in a case like this, but we need to also remember UTG will have a tight opening range that should be tighter because of the larger than standard opening size.

In general try not to put a large amount of thought into uncommon spots, it's better to spend your time learning standard 3 betting and defending vs bet ranges and you can then alter your play from there.

I would probably call QQ-AA and Jam AKs but it's a weird spot with weird sizings so who knows

Hi and thanks for ur answer. Yeah u are right I made it a bit big. My intention was to get information from utg, it's not that I'm not aware what the normal size would be.

Why not put a lot of thought in uncommon spots? Thats how u can solve them no?

But it's a good analysis by u. I only disagree with flatting aces to the 4-bet and shove aks. That is a clear shove to me with aces on this limit and a fold with AKs (as it's a fold with JJ). QQ will be super tough to play. I honestly think our opponents range here is capped to AA/KK and maybe sometimes we can add QQ and AK/AKs. I don't see any other hand(s) in his range.

I folded btw.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Stack sizes?
Villain reads?

Assuming 100bb+ and an unknown/tight 10NL reg, I would just fold. It's almost always value when they go for this dumb 4bet size and the configuration is very tight.

P.S. as said above, your 3bet size is way too big

Hi and thanks for ur answer. Ur assumptions are right.

It was a bit big yes but not way to big imo. Way to big would be 5x etc no? But yeah I thought he was strong from utg and wanted to see how strong he really is with a bit a larger raise.

Flat here also an option instead of 3-betting? Saw this sometimes people do in higher games that played deep.

 

[blueskies]

If UTG is a tight player, I usually would just flat with JJ and then reevaluate after the flop.

If he's tight he probably has a big hand that I can stack him with if I flop a set. Of course, the danger of set over set is there, and that's where post flop play comes in.

Nothing wrong with just calling and then folding the flop if you read says higher over pair. You lose only 3BB.

 

[EarnDAStack]

Hi and thanks for ur answer. Yeah u are right I made it a bit big. My intention was to get information from utg, it's not that I'm not aware what the normal size would be.

Why not put a lot of thought in uncommon spots? Thats how u can solve them no?

But it's a good analysis by u. I only disagree with flatting aces to the 4-bet and shove aks. That is a clear shove to me with aces on this limit and a fold with AKs (as it's a fold with JJ). QQ will be super tough to play. I honestly think our opponents range here is capped to AA/KK and maybe sometimes we can add QQ and AK/AKs. I don't see any other hand(s) in his range.

I folded btw.

AKs blocks AA and KK, gets folds from AKo and has good equity in a inflated pot vs QQ

Using standard sizings we would want to flat our AA over 50% of the time here to leave some nutted hands in our call vs 4-Bet range but KK and AKs, AKo jam (With the sizings used I would guess we want to have a few more made hands in our calling range because there's going to be a big pot and a lot of random boards that won't interact with either player's range much are going to come and being in position with AA and KK here I would assume is very profitable.)

I'm really just speculating a bit and it would depend on what range you assigned to villain with these sizings, I assumed they could have some kind of bluffs or pocket pairs still which is good in theory but not likely in game here.

Overall I think you're right about it being capped to AA and KK so I think you made a good fold

And for solving uncommon spots it's just a matter of highest return for your study hours. Studying common SRP and 3-Bet pot spots will be more profitable and give you a higher winrate long term then solving a spot you won't see very often vs an opponent who is more than likely going to make a million other mistakes that will be lower risk for you to capitalize on.


These are really good places to start working on, lots of training sites also have a lot of content on these formations.

SRP:
COvBB BUvBB SBvBB

3Bet Spots:
BUvCO SBvBU BBvSB

GL

EDS

 

[Station_Master]

Hi and thanks for ur answer. Ur assumptions are right.

It was a bit big yes but not way to big imo. Way to big would be 5x etc no? But yeah I thought he was strong from utg and wanted to see how strong he really is with a bit a larger raise.

Flat here also an option instead of 3-betting? Saw this sometimes people do in higher games that played deep.

But would you go the same size with AJs? Sure it's not ridiculously large but it's still bigger than necessary. And if you thought he was strong why not go smaller? if he is strong you save 3bb

I would never flat v 3x open from HJ, 3bet or fold. You will just get squeezed too often and have the disadvantage of playing a capped range.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Thanks Guys some very good Posts and opinions itt.

Happy new year to all 😃

 

[Poker Orifice]

Thanks Guys some very good Posts and opinions itt.

Happy new year to all 😃

when OOP from blinds you're looking at bigger sizing for 3Bets.
the 4Bet to 36bb's is very unusual... although we're talking 888 which is generally 'unusual'. (fwiw, regs. aren't 3x bb from EP at 10nl & above (whereas on a 5nl table, 3x is standard sizing). imo, more often than not a smaller 4Bet sizing is leaning much more towards AA (ie. 2.5bb > 7.5/8bb > 22bb)

In the hand you've posted, we're talking 'Christmas Holidays on 888 tables' (do we have a Country villain is from?) I'd 3B to 9.5/10bb