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neilv93
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I posted about another ATs hand I came across a while ago but remembered this situation from before that and wondered if there's anything I should have done differently on the river.
On an 8-handed table at 600/1200 (200), a player limped from relatively early and then villain in the CO bumped it up to 2800. I was in the SB with Ah Th and decided to call, for two reasons: 1. The EP limper is fairly straightforward in the sense that he limps all 'floppable' hands such as suited connectors, Broadway etc and raises his big hands so I wasn't worried about him, and 2. The raiser isn't someone I deem to be 'that' good. There was now 9,600 in the pot after my call and I had about 25,000 left while villain had just shy of 30,000.
The flop was A63 rainbow, one heart, and I check called the C-bet of 3,700. The turn was another brick and this time villain checked back.
Now, I had seen him do this on several cases when he had top pair without top kicker, so I figured there's a strong chance he either missed the flop and just C-bet as usual and is now giving up, has a hand like JJ-KK that he wants a showdown with, or his range is along the A8-AQ range as he'd likely still barrel with the king.
With that said, when the river was a final brick, and the board read out something along the lines of A6394, I figured it's time to try and take it down. I feel like, although I'll sometimes have the best hand anyway, my kicker isn't great and I'd want to get him off AJ or AQ. His check back on the turn tells me he only has a one pair hand at best and a lot of the time it's going to be an ace. Where he tried to isolate the limper but got my action I feel it looks like I could have AK or AQ in this spot and when I lead river I want to make it look like, from his perspective, a weaker ace is losing.
17,000 in the middle and I bet 8,700, just over half pot and leaving myself 11BB behind. After much deliberation and even a sighed "you probably have two pair or something", villain called (probably heroing in his mind) and won with AJ.
My question is this: how much do I bet on the river in this spot to get him off this sort of hand?
I've since learned about basic bluff math from watching Splitsuit's videos, something that I was previously ignorant to, and know that if I bet pot he'd fold slightly more than half, whereas my bet leads him to calling two out of every three times.
So, with about 22k behind and 17k in the pot, should I be jamming the river? Or should I bet a lot more than I did, like 15k? How much should I be leading out here to get better kickers to fold? Or equally should I just check, hope he checks again and take the showdown? Or even check-shove the river if he does bet (unlikely after the turn check)?
(Ps. I am completely aware this problem wouldn't have arisen had I not played ATs OOP in the first place)!
On an 8-handed table at 600/1200 (200), a player limped from relatively early and then villain in the CO bumped it up to 2800. I was in the SB with Ah Th and decided to call, for two reasons: 1. The EP limper is fairly straightforward in the sense that he limps all 'floppable' hands such as suited connectors, Broadway etc and raises his big hands so I wasn't worried about him, and 2. The raiser isn't someone I deem to be 'that' good. There was now 9,600 in the pot after my call and I had about 25,000 left while villain had just shy of 30,000.
The flop was A63 rainbow, one heart, and I check called the C-bet of 3,700. The turn was another brick and this time villain checked back.
Now, I had seen him do this on several cases when he had top pair without top kicker, so I figured there's a strong chance he either missed the flop and just C-bet as usual and is now giving up, has a hand like JJ-KK that he wants a showdown with, or his range is along the A8-AQ range as he'd likely still barrel with the king.
With that said, when the river was a final brick, and the board read out something along the lines of A6394, I figured it's time to try and take it down. I feel like, although I'll sometimes have the best hand anyway, my kicker isn't great and I'd want to get him off AJ or AQ. His check back on the turn tells me he only has a one pair hand at best and a lot of the time it's going to be an ace. Where he tried to isolate the limper but got my action I feel it looks like I could have AK or AQ in this spot and when I lead river I want to make it look like, from his perspective, a weaker ace is losing.
17,000 in the middle and I bet 8,700, just over half pot and leaving myself 11BB behind. After much deliberation and even a sighed "you probably have two pair or something", villain called (probably heroing in his mind) and won with AJ.
My question is this: how much do I bet on the river in this spot to get him off this sort of hand?
I've since learned about basic bluff math from watching Splitsuit's videos, something that I was previously ignorant to, and know that if I bet pot he'd fold slightly more than half, whereas my bet leads him to calling two out of every three times.
So, with about 22k behind and 17k in the pot, should I be jamming the river? Or should I bet a lot more than I did, like 15k? How much should I be leading out here to get better kickers to fold? Or equally should I just check, hope he checks again and take the showdown? Or even check-shove the river if he does bet (unlikely after the turn check)?
(Ps. I am completely aware this problem wouldn't have arisen had I not played ATs OOP in the first place)!