evthealien
Rising Star
Bronze Level
VPIP 19 is fine most of the time at 6-Max. But you really need to see the VPIP and PRF together.
If it's 19/6, then that gap is too wide. I'd suggest raising more like 19/16 (TAG), or call less like 12/8 (Nit).
Nit at 6-max examples: 4/4, 8/6, 10/8
TAG at 6-max examples: 18/16, 20/17, 24/20
LAG at 6-max examples: 30/24, 32/24, 28/20
Hope that helps
If it's 19/6, then that gap is too wide. I'd suggest raising more like 19/16 (TAG), or call less like 12/8 (Nit).
Nit at 6-max examples: 4/4, 8/6, 10/8
TAG at 6-max examples: 18/16, 20/17, 24/20
LAG at 6-max examples: 30/24, 32/24, 28/20
Hope that helps
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GreatLeslie
Rock Star
Silver Level
Your PFR increases per each hand raise pre-flop. It won't increase if you just call.
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mr_kommpa
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yes,
PFR = Pre flop raise. Every time you go into a pot with a raise. Doesnt matter if its a 3Bet or open raise.
VP$IP = Voluntarily put money in pot, its every time you decide to put money in the pot. The BB/SB does not count.
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stefanorb
Enthusiast
Silver Level
thanks everybody :tee:
So if i understood should work like this-
Open Raise: increasing (in percentage) of the PFR
Call a open raise: decreasing (in percentage) of the PFR
3-bet preflop: increasing (in percentage) of the PFR
Open raise and then call a 3-bet: not increase and not decrease (in percentage) of the PFR
Open-raise, and then 4-bet: double increasing (in percentage) of the PFR
Open raise and fold to a 3-bet: increase (in percentage) of the PFR
right?
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love that omaha
Rock Star
Silver Level
To me all the posts including original post all completely unintelligible - not because of the posts, just because Im mostly a live player and it all sounds like rubbish. Voluntarily played pots in position?? I hope this is what the acronym stands for but I honestly don't know. I understand that stats make it easier to play 20 tables simultaneously but since I just play 3 maximum I prefer to be ignorant.............lol What works best for me is to adapt to my opponents style of play on that day at that time. Someday I will learn all this mathematical type of play - It just won't be today.
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stefanorb
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Voluntarily put money in pot, i know you are not interested by now but maybe it will help you understand what is the sense of this. Its pratically the times you choose to play the flop not counting the check of a big blind - this is where voluntarily come from.
You play live and you can analyze the attitude of a player at the table. You know when a player appear to be confident, you can tell when he's tilting, sometimes even the physical appearence gives you an idea of if a player play loose. This stats are this - trying to get some hints on the player, in the only way online can give. But is this, just hints. I believe they give an edge, you should try to see if improve your game.
Example, i know that a tight player fires a continuation bet after an open raise 98% of the times. If he open raise and then check the flop before me, it smells of trapping. Just a hint, no certainty. But better than no hint, right?
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stefanorb
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mr_kommpa
Rock Star
Silver Level
PFR = pre flop raise, ao if you open a han with a raise it counts as a PFR, Its not a aggresion dactor it only counts the times you opend with a raise.
Raise = PFR
Raise, 4bet = a hand that will count as PFR, becuse you raised
Raise, call = PFR, becuse you still raised before the flop, right? It doesnt look for passibe actions it only looks for a single aggresiv action pre and counts it as a PFR
call, raise = PFR becuse you raised Pre, right!
So if you do any of the things above with 10 hands out of a 100 you will have 10/100 pfr or 10% pfr!
Raise = PFR
Raise, 4bet = a hand that will count as PFR, becuse you raised
Raise, call = PFR, becuse you still raised before the flop, right? It doesnt look for passibe actions it only looks for a single aggresiv action pre and counts it as a PFR
call, raise = PFR becuse you raised Pre, right!
So if you do any of the things above with 10 hands out of a 100 you will have 10/100 pfr or 10% pfr!
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stefanorb
Enthusiast
Silver Level
PFR = pre flop raise, ao if you open a han with a raise it counts as a PFR, Its not a aggresion dactor it only counts the times you opend with a raise.
Raise = PFR
Raise, 4bet = a hand that will count as PFR, becuse you raised
Raise, call = PFR, becuse you still raised before the flop, right? It doesnt look for passibe actions it only looks for a single aggresiv action pre and counts it as a PFR
call, raise = PFR becuse you raised Pre, right!
So if you do any of the things above with 10 hands out of a 100 you will have 10/100 pfr or 10% pfr!
Perfect!! Thank you! So just calling an open raise instead is not an increasing of PFR since there is no aggressive action... Thank you, really clear!!
the_wonk
Enthusiast
Silver Level
assuming you've played enough hands for that to be a fairly accurate representation of your vpip, then yes 19% is quite low.
will it be a problem at the micros or at anon tables? probably not. most of the additional value of playing more hands doesn't come from your earn from that particular hand. it's that better players will be forced to play you worse and pay off in situations or get bluffed where they could fold to a true nit (which you are).
if you start playing higher/against better competition you'll need to expand your ranges some.
will it be a problem at the micros or at anon tables? probably not. most of the additional value of playing more hands doesn't come from your earn from that particular hand. it's that better players will be forced to play you worse and pay off in situations or get bluffed where they could fold to a true nit (which you are).
if you start playing higher/against better competition you'll need to expand your ranges some.
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BeardedMalarkey
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I average a 19/14 on carbon and am seeing decent results despite running wayy below EV (about 600bb below ev in 11k hands so far, yikes), and i only play 6max. So, I would say 19 is fine, but your VP/PFR ratio is what's important. You want to keep that number around 65+.