Donkament Definition

dj11 · Aug 6, 2007

I was thinking the world needs a good definition of donkament, and probably a standard spelling too.

I like that every tourney has a donkament portion, which would be about the first half. But some donkaments may be complete donkaments and never get to good play.

So, your task for today, should you choose to accept it, is to give a definition of the concept of the Donkament. Include how you would prefer it spelled.

Dorkus Malorkus · Aug 6, 2007

donkament = tournament + donk

jeffred1111 · Aug 6, 2007

To many at the 2+2 community, where the term donkament really got off, pretty much any tournament is a donkament. But really, any tournament that contains a large portion of donks is a donkament.

rainsoaked · Aug 6, 2007

donkament - n. 1. A single or multi table poker tournament in which half (or more) original participants can reasonably be expected to a) shove all-in with ATC in the first 30 minutes of play and/or B) Call a shove with ATC within same time frame thus resulting in them dropping like flies before the almighty (though not necessarily environmentally correct) can of bug spray.

2. As above but more particularly evidenced by the abundance of players all-in the very first hand. This is sometimes referred to as 'mega-donkament' and is loosely derived from a baffling condition known as 'hyperdonkamentitis' whose sufferers show a propensity to shun skill and only play the way they've seen Daniel N. and Gus H. play on television. As of this writing, there is very little hope (nor, indeed, need) for a cure.

Jack Daniels · Aug 7, 2007

rainsoaked said:
donkament - n. 1. A single or multi table poker tournament in which half (or more) original participants can reasonably be expected to a) shove all-in with ATC in the first 30 minutes of play and/or B) Call a shove with ATC within same time frame thus resulting in them dropping like flies before the almighty (though not necessarily environmentally correct) can of bug spray.

2. As above but more particularly evidenced by the abundance of players all-in the very first hand. This is sometimes referred to as 'mega-donkament' and is loosely derived from a baffling condition known as 'hyperdonkamentitis' whose sufferers show a propensity to shun skill and only play the way they've seen Daniel N. and Gus H. play on television. As of this writing, there is very little hope (nor, indeed, need) for a cure.

I would so give you +rep if we still had it (don't ask, it was before your time).

JAMILE1 · Aug 7, 2007

rainsoaked said:
donkament - n. 1. A single or multi table poker tournament in which half (or more) original participants can reasonably be expected to a) shove all-in with ATC in the first 30 minutes of play and/or B) Call a shove with ATC within same time frame thus resulting in them dropping like flies before the almighty (though not necessarily environmentally correct) can of bug spray.
2. As above but more particularly evidenced by the abundance of players all-in the very first hand. This is sometimes referred to as 'mega-donkament' and is loosely derived from a baffling condition known as 'hyperdonkamentitis' whose sufferers show a propensity to shun skill and only play the way they've seen Daniel N. and Gus H. play on television. As of this writing, there is very little hope (nor, indeed, need) for a cure.

LMFAO

Make that a double ++rep, again don't ask what that is LOL

This entry will be submitted to wikipedia

reglardave · Aug 7, 2007

rainsoaked said:
donkament - n. 1. A single or multi table poker tournament in which half (or more) original participants can reasonably be expected to a) shove all-in with ATC in the first 30 minutes of play and/or B) Call a shove with ATC within same time frame thus resulting in them dropping like flies before the almighty (though not necessarily environmentally correct) can of bug spray.

2. As above but more particularly evidenced by the abundance of players all-in the very first hand. This is sometimes referred to as 'mega-donkament' and is loosely derived from a baffling condition known as 'hyperdonkamentitis' whose sufferers show a propensity to shun skill and only play the way they've seen Daniel N. and Gus H. play on television. As of this writing, there is very little hope (nor, indeed, need) for a cure.

:congrats: :congrats: Food fpr tjought and words to live by! Classic.:adore:

aloevera · Aug 7, 2007

rainsoaked said:
donkament - n. 1. A single or multi table poker tournament in which half (or more) original participants can reasonably be expected to a) shove all-in with ATC in the first 30 minutes of play and/or B) Call a shove with ATC within same time frame thus resulting in them dropping like flies before the almighty (though not necessarily environmentally correct) can of bug spray.

2. As above but more particularly evidenced by the abundance of players all-in the very first hand. This is sometimes referred to as 'mega-donkament' and is loosely derived from a baffling condition known as 'hyperdonkamentitis' whose sufferers show a propensity to shun skill and only play the way they've seen Daniel N. and Gus H. play on television. As of this writing, there is very little hope (nor, indeed, need) for a cure.

Lol I have to agree ++++rep !!! Don't ask

But I still call a donkament a few differnent things....FREEROLL, Micro buyins, and low buy in site points like the 70FPP at stars, for example.

Awesome response rainsoaked

dj11 · Aug 7, 2007

Further refinement needed. That part of the definition/description of the donkament is fine. However, it suggests that;

a) Every tournament, including the biggest of them all will at least start out as a donkament
b) Some will not stop being a donkament till they finish
c) The donkament may end before the tournament will end. This would be fine, and is easier than typing 'first half of the tournament' or whatever.

Bringing up the question of 'What comes after the donkament?'

Since rain has her finger on the pulse of the donkament, I request she expound a bit more.

rainsoaked · Aug 7, 2007

Expound??!! Ummmm...I'm not firing on all cylinders at the moment and I can't handle the pressure just yet. What if that was my whole game, my best effort, and more importantly -- what if my sophomore release doesn't measure up? Am I just another one hit wonder? Let me take my meds and I'll get back to you. And three 'don't asks'? That's a hard lay down

Jack Daniels · Aug 8, 2007

rainsoaked said:
Let me take my meds and I'll get back to you.

Ah, you're going to fit in just fine around here.

rainsoaked said:
a hard lay down

You say it like it's a bad thing?

jeffred1111 · Aug 8, 2007

Bringing up the question of 'What comes after the donkament?'

Blindstealingament? ICMament ? Stopn'goament ? And I'd wager that the only portion(s) of a tournament that isn't (aren't) a donkament is when multiple people have an M in excess of 30 at the same table and shorstacks aren't present, wich means that many, if not most, tournaments never stop to be donkaments before the final 3-4 people are left. Donkaments usually require mostly preflop skills for the good players ot survive/thrive.

This also means that SNG's are another good example of donkaments, especially turbos (this doesn't mean that skilled players cannot win, but it explains the variance and the swings). They are on a much smaller scale, and need a lot less luck since you don't have to take coinflips as often, but still contain what makes a donkament a donkament:
a) No room for postflop play after a while since everyone shoves/fold
b) Donks playing in them

OzExorcist · Aug 8, 2007

jeffred1111 said:
I'd wager that the only portion(s) of a tournament that isn't (aren't) a donkament is when multiple people have an M in excess of 30 at the same table and shorstacks aren't present, wich means that many, if not most, tournaments never stop to be donkaments before the final 3-4 people are left.

Interesting point - surely being on a short stack and deciding that your only real options are shoving or folding is different to being a donk though?

rainsoaked · Aug 8, 2007

dj11 said:
Further refinement needed. That part of the definition/description of the donkament is fine. However, it suggests that;

a) Every tournament, including the biggest of them all will at least start out as a donkament

I wonder if this might be nearly unavoidably true simply based on humans being what they are and poker being what it is. The skill base is so widely varied and even the least skilled seem aware they need some edge to exploit and trying to chip up early would fit in there. Of course that also fits in in a non-donk way. Generally though, the donk effect (when present) is a sliding scale, I think, increasing as the field does. Maybe.

dj11 said:
b) Some will not stop being a donkament till they finish.

Micro SNG, for example. ~45% of the time

dj11 said:
c) The donkament may end before the tournament will end. This would be fine, and is easier than typing 'first half of the tournament' or whatever.

Bringing up the question of 'What comes after the donkament?'

The donkament seems to end, or at least slow to a trickle by no later than the third or fourth hand after the first break. As an accidental donk still fairly early in recovery, this is often where you will see me going home since the other side of the donk coin is being there to catch the dead money and I will have spewed most of my chips in unsuccessful attempts at 'being there'. Hmm...the donkament within the donkament? Second level donkamentation! Yeehaw. I am recovering

As for what comes after, that's easy. Y'all go on playing and I watch from the rail.

jeffred1111 · Aug 8, 2007

Interesting point - surely being on a short stack and deciding that your only real options are shoving or folding is different to being a donk though?

Totally true, but you still only push or shove: there's no room for postflop play and you tend to push hands that donkeys would in a cash game (AJo, A10s, 77, etc.) wich adds to the donk factor. This makes the tournament more of a crapshoot and favors lucky donks (donks that catch AA when you push AKs), hence the terms donkament, wich can also mean a tournament that any donk can win due to the structure (as we have seen, the wsop ME has grown to be just that, not that all winners are donks, but many are/were).

OzExorcist · Aug 10, 2007

jeffred1111 said:
Totally true, but you still only push or shove: there's no room for postflop play and you tend to push hands that donkeys would in a cash game (AJo, A10s, 77, etc.) wich adds to the donk factor. This makes the tournament more of a crapshoot and favors lucky donks (donks that catch AA when you push AKs), hence the terms donkament, wich can also mean a tournament that any donk can win due to the structure (as we have seen, the WSOP ME has grown to be just that, not that all winners are donks, but many are/were).

I see where you're coming from - I'm just saying, a short-stack shove by a decent player will still be different to a short-stack shove by a donk. Sure, both might shove with 77, but the decent player won't shove just because they have 77: if it's a raised pot or they've got some good reads, for example, they might wait for a better place.

You shouldn't have to resign yourself to a crapshoot just because you're on a short stack. Otherwise we'd be forced to say things like "OMG, Doyle Brunson only has an M of 12, he's such a donk right now"

crancko · Aug 10, 2007

donkament - n. 1. A single or multi table poker tournament in which half (or more) original participants can reasonably be expected to a) shove all-in with ATC in the first 30 minutes of play and/or B) Call a shove with ATC within same time frame thus resulting in them dropping like flies before the almighty (though not necessarily environmentally correct) can of bug spray.
2. As above but more particularly evidenced by the abundance of players all-in the very first hand. This is sometimes referred to as 'mega-donkament' and is loosely derived from a baffling condition known as 'hyperdonkamentitis' whose sufferers show a propensity to shun skill and only play the way they've seen Daniel N. and Gus H. play on television. As of this writing, there is very little hope (nor, indeed, need) for a cure.

Ok, that is brillant - firing on all cylinders or not! (How many cylinders do you normally fire on, Rain?) And on the +++++rep - feel free to ask

As an avid donkament player, i'll admit to several of the characteristics mentioned above:
1 - First hour spent on hitting the cloth hard. Either you make it through with a stack or you're out.
2 - I firmly belive hyperdonkamentitis saves time and leaves me with a few good mtt's where I enter the second hour holding a healthy stack.
3 - On 1 and 2: I play those as FR's only and do it in bursts with as many mtt's at one time as possible.

As a definition I like this one: Urban Dictionary: donkament

And I do in no way mean to discredit Rains fantastic definition by linking this.

Biffle16 · Dec 29, 2007

Donkament = Any tourney Biffle16 is in? LOL

riffpoker · Dec 29, 2007

Every MTT that allows any Joe Schmoe with the buy-in a seat will ultimately start out a donkament but it goes through a metamorphosis. This includes WSOP and EPT tourneys as well. I guess the only true nondonkarama would be the private MTT's like the WPT Tournament of Champs or Tournament Leader Board Invitationals etc.......

Peace

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